Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

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Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby californialiving » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:44 pm

Hi,
I'm an undergrad at Yale and am having a very hard time doing well on the LSAT. I got a 154 on my diagnostic, and after a 3 month course, half a dozen additional prepbooks and many hours of review I am scoring a ... 154. I am frustrated and am reconsidering a career in law.

I expected to do better on the LSAT as I am a good test taker and scored in the high 2200s on the SAT after a month of study.The Office of Career Services at my school says there are only 10 schools worth going to, and that it is a waste of money to go to any others (unless you are the very top of your class.) I am having particular trouble with LR, am OK at LG, and am good at RC. The Logic Games Bible has helped me significantly, and I have been able to increase my LG score (to -6 ish), and I continue to improve. However, my LR score has only gotten WORSE as I continue to study (from -6 initially to -9 or -10). I usually score -2 or -4 on RC. Timing is never an issue for me on any section.

In short, I am signed up for the Oct test and desperately need an LSAT miracle. Any advice? Especially for how to improve (rapidly) on LR?

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:48 pm

californialiving wrote:The Office of Career Services at my school says there are only 10 schools worth going to


They actually said that?

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby futurelawstudent1 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:02 pm

Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby crazyblink653 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:05 pm

futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


wow....this is an incredibly offensive comment.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby kwais » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:08 pm

futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


holy shit.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby 20121109 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:14 pm

futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol

banned.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby birdlaw117 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:14 pm

Delay taking the test. You can prep your way to a higher score. The Yale name will make up for a little bit in admissions, but you'll still need a good LSAT. Follow the advice circulating this forum and maybe try to find work for a year and apply next cycle. Good luck!

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:15 pm

futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.

Grampa?

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby igo2northwestern » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:15 pm

californialiving wrote:Hi,
I'm an undergrad at Yale and am having a very hard time doing well on the LSAT. I got a 154 on my diagnostic, and after a 3 month course, half a dozen additional prepbooks and many hours of review I am scoring a ... 154. I am frustrated and am reconsidering a career in law.

I expected to do better on the LSAT as I am a good test taker and scored in the high 2200s on the SAT after a month of study.The Office of Career Services at my school says there are only 10 schools worth going to, and that it is a waste of money to go to any others (unless you are the very top of your class.) I am having particular trouble with LR, am OK at LG, and am good at RC. The Logic Games Bible has helped me significantly, and I have been able to increase my LG score (to -6 ish), and I continue to improve. However, my LR score has only gotten WORSE as I continue to study (from -6 initially to -9 or -10). I usually score -2 or -4 on RC. Timing is never an issue for me on any section.

In short, I am signed up for the Oct test and desperately need an LSAT miracle. Any advice? Especially for how to improve (rapidly) on LR?


Shouldn't a minus 30 total (10, 10, 6, 4) get you higher than 154?

Anyways, have you considered taking a class / getting a personal tutor? Perhaps you need an instructor to help you apply the rules of the game to various LR arguments/facts.

For October, that's gona be tough... first retake another practice exams to see if your 154 was a fluke; and if it isn't, then postpone your test.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby Eichörnchen » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:17 pm

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol

banned.

Thank you for nipping that in the bud before this turned into an 8 page shitfit <3

OP, delay until you feel you have reached your peak. I think you owe it to yourself to do the best you can.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby badwithpseudonyms » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:18 pm

kwais wrote:
futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


holy shit.


Not really a surprising statement given all the dumb ass shit littered throughout his post history.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby IAFG » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:18 pm

Maybe you should evaluate alternatives to coming to law school.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby birdlaw117 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:22 pm

IAFG wrote:Maybe you should evaluate alternatives to coming to law school.

californialiving wrote:Hi,
I am frustrated and am reconsidering a career in law.

Brilliant suggestion, clearly something OP has not considered.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby IAFG » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:30 pm

birdlaw117 wrote:
IAFG wrote:Maybe you should evaluate alternatives to coming to law school.

californialiving wrote:Hi,
I am frustrated and am reconsidering a career in law.

Brilliant suggestion, clearly something OP has not considered.

I'm encouraging OP to take that to a next step- from "not law" to "what things other than law?" By actually looking into things he could do that aren't law, it may become even more clear that law is not the right call.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:33 pm

Hell the mean LSAT at Yale is only 165. Shouldn't be surprising that someone from there can't get above 160.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74320

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby birdlaw117 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:34 pm

IAFG wrote:
birdlaw117 wrote:
IAFG wrote:Maybe you should evaluate alternatives to coming to law school.

californialiving wrote:Hi,
I am frustrated and am reconsidering a career in law.

Brilliant suggestion, clearly something OP has not considered.

I'm encouraging OP to take that to a next step- from "not law" to "what things other than law?" By actually looking into things he could do that aren't law, it may become even more clear that law is not the right call.

That's fair. And a good idea.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby masterthearts » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:41 pm

Which 10 schools did your counselor recommend? I presume the T10. I am also an ivy grad (not Yalie) but got a 163; very high gpa..got into a t14. Keep the faith.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby Curious1 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:44 pm

californialiving wrote:Hi,
I'm an undergrad at Yale and am having a very hard time doing well on the LSAT. I got a 154 on my diagnostic, and after a 3 month course, half a dozen additional prepbooks and many hours of review I am scoring a ... 154. I am frustrated and am reconsidering a career in law.

I expected to do better on the LSAT as I am a good test taker and scored in the high 2200s on the SAT after a month of study.The Office of Career Services at my school says there are only 10 schools worth going to, and that it is a waste of money to go to any others (unless you are the very top of your class.) I am having particular trouble with LR, am OK at LG, and am good at RC. The Logic Games Bible has helped me significantly, and I have been able to increase my LG score (to -6 ish), and I continue to improve. However, my LR score has only gotten WORSE as I continue to study (from -6 initially to -9 or -10). I usually score -2 or -4 on RC. Timing is never an issue for me on any section.

In short, I am signed up for the Oct test and desperately need an LSAT miracle. Any advice? Especially for how to improve (rapidly) on LR?


Hey there, I'm at Yale too--and would be happy to help out if you have any questions or need any explanations. What's your GPA? If it's amazing then why not get into banking or consulting?

BTW the law school counselors at Yale are totally useless. They actually TOLD ME "most people apply around November, there's no need to apply earlier than that."

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby 4910 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:22 pm

futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol wut? your post history was amusing as well

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby SarahKerrigan » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:44 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:Hell the mean LSAT at Yale is only 165. Shouldn't be surprising that someone from there can't get above 160.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74320

Thats an interesting thread, i haven't seen it before. Really makes me wonder how many people either take the LSAT just to see what they will get, or take it without much study because they don't care what law school they get into.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby TheFriendlyBarber » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:45 pm

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol

banned.


It would be helpful if you would redact his/her inflammatory post as to avoid the shitshow that is sure to follow.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby 20121109 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:48 pm

TheFriendlyBarber wrote:
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol

banned.


It would be helpful if you would redact his/her inflammatory post as to avoid the shitshow that is sure to follow.


Shit show?

Aint no shit show going on...if it happens, then I'll handle it. Dude can say what he wants; I'm not into censorship. He just has to deal with the consequences of his words, that's all.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:51 pm

TheFriendlyBarber wrote:
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol

banned.


It would be helpful if you would redact his/her inflammatory post as to avoid the shitshow that is sure to follow.


TBH anyone who couldn't figure out that was a flame is probably helpless anyways.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby TheFriendlyBarber » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:48 am

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
TheFriendlyBarber wrote:
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol

banned.


It would be helpful if you would redact his/her inflammatory post as to avoid the shitshow that is sure to follow.


Shit show?

Aint no shit show going on...if it happens, then I'll handle it. Dude can say what he wants; I'm not into censorship. He just has to deal with the consequences of his words, that's all.


I doubt you'd stand by this theory in truly egregious extremes, but I won't test your tolerance in order to prove my point.


minnbills wrote:
TheFriendlyBarber wrote:
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
futurelawstudent1 wrote:Most athletes and black students at Ivy league schools probably can't score above 160, so if you belong to one of those groups, you shouldn't be surprised.


lol

banned.


It would be helpful if you would redact his/her inflammatory post as to avoid the shitshow that is sure to follow.


TBH anyone who couldn't figure out that was a flame is probably helpless anyways.


True.

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Re: Yale Undergrad and I can't score outside the 150s?!

Postby 20121109 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:15 am

TheFriendlyBarber wrote:
I doubt you'd stand by this theory in truly egregious extremes, but I won't test your tolerance in order to prove my point.


As a general rule, mods are hesitant to delete/edit any inflammatory posts. We'd rather just lock and/or ban. We only edit out posts when they out identities of TLS posters.




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