Quan292 wrote:Helicio wrote:Quan292 wrote:Great freaking post. TLS irks me with how little this site truly understands the experience of many black americans. In my experience the language of the test is entirely different from the language I grew up around. However I do have white friends and I have seen them with their family members using language similar to the exam. Now It is always terrible to use yourself as an example and form that into a rule but their is definitely a difference.
Dude, that culture argument is such a lame excuse.
I do not benefit from URM, yet I grew up in a family where English was NOT even my first language.
My family is poor, barely functional, and the country we came from is probably on the brink of another war. Yet since I have less melanin than other people, and since Affirmative Action is purely based on race and does not take economic status into account, I don't benefit from AA.
If your argument for affirmative action is that blacks/Hispanics grew up in different cultures, you need a reality check.
Many other people--many of whom are poor--grew up in families that are from the Middle East, India, East Asia, or Eastern Europe. Many people from these areas are extremely poor and could use a helping hand or two in their lives, just like the helping hand that African-Americans and Hispanics get.
Despite the cultural differences that I have compared to your average American--and these differences are much greater than those that American minorities share with mainstream America--I have been able to learn English well enough to be scoring 170 + on my practice tests for my LSAT. I've been able to do this through hard work and studying, despite having to work another job all my life.
I know I'm made fun off on these forums a lot, but I've been able to get what I've got in life through hard work. I'm as liberal as they come, and I grew up in a majority-black neighborhood. I'm probably one of the few light-looking people who is telling the truth when I say that I probably have more black friends than white friends. But I've always hated affirmative action as it is now; I wouldn't mind it if it was socioeconomic and took people like me into account, but as it is now it screws poor people over if they aren't black, Hispanic, or Native American.
To use the culture argument is stupid, unless you are going to include Asians/Indians/Middle Easterners like me who do NOT benefit from affirmative action. Instead we have to work our asses off with no 8-point-boost.
While I agree that from your experience Affirmative Action fails for you but as you said you grew up in those neighborhoods and you saw the ethnicity of those around you. Having programs based for those races seem plausible in this regard. While it isnt always perfect you obviously see the disadvantages you were born with and it's similarities to those around you so there is obviously something going on
Congrats on your success tho.
No arguing that in the United States, URMs are definitely more disadvantaged than whites and Asians. It just irks me that my friends get advantages that I don't, that's all. I guess it's more acute for me since I have so many URM friends.
I sent you a PM too; I like debates, especially civil ones like this.
Back to LSAT studying . I'll see you guys tomorrow. Hopefully this thread stays civil and doesn't descend into a flame-fest from Hell.