Advice for going from 164 to 170+

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Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby bsawyer1 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:49 pm

Hey guys, I'm looking for some advice to go from 164 to 170+ on the LSAT.

As far as background goes, I studied for 3 weeks for the LSAT using some random books for about 2 hours a day 4 days a week.

I'm considering taking a class, most likely Powerscore because I read the LG bible and did well on that section and I've heard some good things.

Basically, does anybody have any advice as far as classes to take to make the jump to the 170's and how possible you guys think that I can make the jump (obviously varies person to person)?

Thanks.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby bk1 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:18 pm

You spent 3 weeks studying and got a 164. You don't need advice to get a 170+, you just need to put in some more time.

You definitely don't need a class and I wouldn't recommend unless for some reason you can't get there with self study and a bunch of PT's.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby suspicious android » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:46 pm

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby Kurst » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:49 pm

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby incompetentia » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:18 pm

You should be able to figure out your weaknesses in terms of question types. At 164, you have them.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby UofO » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:32 pm

bsawyer1 wrote:Hey guys, I'm looking for some advice to go from 164 to 170+ on the LSAT.

As far as background goes, I studied for 3 weeks for the LSAT using some random books for about 2 hours a day 4 days a week.

I'm considering taking a class, most likely Powerscore because I read the LG bible and did well on that section and I've heard some good things.

Basically, does anybody have any advice as far as classes to take to make the jump to the 170's and how possible you guys think that I can make the jump (obviously varies person to person)?

Thanks.



I wouldn't take a class if you are already scoring a 164. At this point, you are probably making silly mistakes that can be fixed by seriously reviewing your wrong answers. You may also consider getting a tutor for a specific section, but taking a course is a terrible idea at this point.

Btw, I just finished a PowerScore full length course... It's basically the bibles with more practice questions.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby Corwin » Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:23 pm

Agree with everyone saying you need to put in more time. Also, it would be helpful to know your sub-scores.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby sandwiches5000 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:24 am

Dissect each question type and thoroughly justify your answers to discover where your flaws lie. I recommend checking out http://lsatblog.blogspot.com. It helped me loads. I was in the mid to upper 160s and now I'm solidly in the 170s. Good luck :)

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby bsawyer1 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:06 pm

Corwin wrote:Agree with everyone saying you need to put in more time. Also, it would be helpful to know your sub-scores.


I was/am usually at about -8 on LR, -4 on LG, and about -8 on RC. I varied so much on the PT's though it was really hard for me to pinpoint my weakness. When I started out, I was terrible at LG's but obviously improved that and then it seemed like RC went way downhill and LR stayed about the same. I figure I should probably get the LR Bible and the Manhattan RC and then pretty much any PT I can get my hands on.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby incompetentia » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:24 pm

LG is the most learnable. You should be able to drill this to the point where you're getting pretty consistent -0 (with the occasional miss).


Are you having trouble with time, in any section in particular?

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby bsawyer1 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:03 pm

incompetentia wrote:LG is the most learnable. You should be able to drill this to the point where you're getting pretty consistent -0 (with the occasional miss).


Are you having trouble with time, in any section in particular?


I would say I have a slight problem with time and both LG and RC but it was never an issue in LR. When it came to LR what mostly happened was I would have a few that I narrowed down to 2 and would then get the wrong answer. Had LR sections sometimes with =0 sometimes. Any suggestions for the time? Obvious answer, I know, is take a whole lot of practice tests. Anything else?

By the way, thanks everybody for any advice so far.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby incompetentia » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:05 pm

LG and RC are actually the easier ones to fix with regard to time. How much time are you spending on setting up your diagram, and on reading the passage? If you're past 3 minutes, that should probably be your focus. If not, then it's going to be regarding the time you take answering the questions.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby bsawyer1 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:45 pm

DEFINITELY over 3 minutes on reading the passages. I really had little strategy on the RC. All I had to go off of was Kaplan's method from a book and honestly it just wasn't working for me, but I don't know how much different other methods are.

Probably right about at 3 minutes on diagramming the LG's. I think my problem with time on these is that I try and explore too many possibilities on questions that I have trouble with. For instance, if I can't find the correct answer straightaway, I'll go through trying to prove the other answers wrong. It's moderately accurate but eats up the clock.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby incompetentia » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:48 pm

How much do you mark up the passages? I would scale back the reading and make it lighter (no need to reread until you refer back from the questions).

As for LG, I don't think that's too far out of the ordinary necessarily, although 3 minutes is still quite a bit. Are you making all the major inferences in this time, or does it take you about that amount of time to simply set it up?

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby Scott Tenorman » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:48 pm

I scored a 166 on the October test, then took a Testmasters class this Spring and just took the June test. I was scoring between 172-177 on my practice tests leading up to the real thing, and I'm confident I scored in that range last week. For me, the class was very helpful because I work full time and needed a kick in the ass to stick with a study plan. You can certainly do it on your own, but if you want some additional accountability and can afford it, take a class. It certainly won't hurt you.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby bsawyer1 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:27 am

I've been attempting to mark up the passages, but really it's not in any effective or otherwise orderly way. I tend to just underline and circle things that jump out to me.

As far as the games go, I generally make the inferences all at the beginning. Usually with LG I come down to guessing on maybe 2 questions and even these I probably have had time to look at but just not take the necessary time. I'm thinking I should practice at 8 minutes per game so I have a couple minutes leeway.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby bsawyer1 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:30 am

Scott Tenorman wrote:I scored a 166 on the October test, then took a Testmasters class this Spring and just took the June test. I was scoring between 172-177 on my practice tests leading up to the real thing, and I'm confident I scored in that range last week. For me, the class was very helpful because I work full time and needed a kick in the ass to stick with a study plan. You can certainly do it on your own, but if you want some additional accountability and can afford it, take a class. It certainly won't hurt you.


If I took a class, it would likely be PowerScore since it is the only one (outside of PR and Kaplan) that have live classes in my city. I definitely like my chances better with a structured environment, but I'm also of the opinion that if I can't self-study as well or close to as well, law school is not a good option.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:37 am

I went 157-164-172. My take is here: --LinkRemoved--

Good luck!

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby twaswoo » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:17 am

i recommend you follow pitchypike's guide for logic games. it works. for logical reasoning and reading comprehension, doing lots of prep tests should suffice, but if you feel like you need some extra help, you should get powerscore's logical reasoning bible and the Manhattan reading comprehension guide.

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Re: Advice for going from 164 to 170+

Postby 3v3ryth1ng » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:00 am

I haven't gotten my score back yet (I hear tomorrow could be the day), but I remember that best piece of advice I received while studying was "you'll go faster by getting better, but you'll never get better by going faster." Basically, to get a 170 or above, you need to give a confident answer on every question you attempt, and you need to attempt all of them. If you think timing is not an issue because you attempted every question, yet you still aren't breaking 170, you should slow down. I actually improved my timing on games this way. I was originally just shooting to finish at 3 and guess on the 4th, but I became so much better at them by just relaxing and focusing on being accurate that eventually I was finishing all the games and missing 1 or none.

I can't speak for everyone, but I think this test can mess with your head. Treat it like you treat anything else- like it's not a big deal. I truly believe that's the key to improving.




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