Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

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Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

Postby secretad » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:00 pm

This is my setup after I did the rules and inferences. I went on manhattanlsat's website and I thought their inference of using g as a frame was questionable? I suppose it is because g can be used because it is in a long logic chain but why not use p instead? I found this game time consuming not necessarily difficult.

Could I also have in the out column...a dual option for s 9 and s 3?

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Re: Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

Postby secretad » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:16 pm

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Re: Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

Postby secretad » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:28 pm

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Re: Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

Postby Manhattan LSAT Noah » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:45 pm

scroll down on our forum's discussion of this and you'll see a different diagram. I definitely did not frame this game.

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Re: Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

Postby secretad » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:18 pm

I have been to the forum and I use quite often and it has been of great value to me. However, I am a little perplexed as to why this game is giving me fits. I have redone it over and over and continue to struggle.

Some basic questions. I am converting the 7 courses with S going at either 9am or 3pm as two distinct variables to give me 8 total variables. Four in the selected column and four in the not selected column.

Usually the best deductions to be made on the in-out games as I have been taught is to discover which variables must go out or in. Such as in this case, when you have a conditional like if m -> then not j, you know that at least one of those two variables must be placed in the out column, and you can create a dual option in one of the four spaces in the out column bearing in mind that both variables could be out.

Same thought process with a conditional like if not j->then r. At least one of those variables must be placed in the selected column with a possibility that both can be in.

However, in this in-out game, those deductions did nothing but slow the game down and added no fire power. I then looked at manhattans website of how they did the game, and the framing idea also did nothing but slow me down. As it is of great help when g is out, but some of the questions in the game would only give a list of three in, thus you not knowing for certainty that g is out.

The logic chain that manhattan uses is different than what I have learned, which was at testmasters.

My version of the logic chain is when you connect all of the incommon variables to construct a long chain. The thing that is on the .pdf of the website is way too involved and not a lot of help.

Can I receive some help on this game? I know it is painstaking but I would greatly appreciate it if anybody else is prepping for the June test and wanted to do some extra practice.

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Re: Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

Postby secretad » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:08 pm

Bumped for a poor soul.

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Re: Need help on December 2009 game preptest 59 lg #3

Postby secretad » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:54 pm

Bump again.




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