What happens to people who get 170 and above?

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Miracle » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:03 pm

luckyme wrote:great post

but you should stop posting this here and write a book: What Happens to People Who Score 170 and Above?
picture of a gunner on the front
stories of a few people who scored 170+: a traditional applicant, a reverse splitter, splitter, phenom, etc.


whats a phenom?

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby luckyme » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:04 pm

Miracle wrote:
luckyme wrote:great post

but you should stop posting this here and write a book: What Happens to People Who Score 170 and Above?
picture of a gunner on the front
stories of a few people who scored 170+: a traditional applicant, a reverse splitter, splitter, phenom, etc.


whats a phenom?


180/4.33

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Miracle » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:05 pm

luckyme wrote:
Miracle wrote:
luckyme wrote:great post

but you should stop posting this here and write a book: What Happens to People Who Score 170 and Above?
picture of a gunner on the front
stories of a few people who scored 170+: a traditional applicant, a reverse splitter, splitter, phenom, etc.


whats a phenom?


180/4.33


Ohhh wowww there is people out there with perfect LSAT, and perfect GPA?

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby SMA22 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:09 pm

luckyme wrote:great post

but you should stop posting this here and write a book: What Happens to People Who Score 170 and Above?
picture of a gunner on the front
stories of a few people who scored 170+: a traditional applicant, a reverse splitter, splitter, phenom, etc.


LOL, I volunteer myself as the reverse splitter--I agree, LSAT puts you in a school range, but UGPA seems to be the make or break. That can be hard to explain to people who take a look at my score and say, "Wow, with your score, you're going to get into T14, no problem." The LSAT is important, but so is the other half.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby luckyme » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:10 pm

Miracle wrote:
luckyme wrote:
Miracle wrote:
luckyme wrote:great post

but you should stop posting this here and write a book: What Happens to People Who Score 170 and Above?
picture of a gunner on the front
stories of a few people who scored 170+: a traditional applicant, a reverse splitter, splitter, phenom, etc.


whats a phenom?


180/4.33


Ohhh wowww there is people out there with perfect LSAT, and perfect GPA?


not 4.33 but probably 4.0

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby joebloe » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:04 pm

Miracle wrote:
luckyme wrote:great post

but you should stop posting this here and write a book: What Happens to People Who Score 170 and Above?
picture of a gunner on the front
stories of a few people who scored 170+: a traditional applicant, a reverse splitter, splitter, phenom, etc.


whats a phenom?


The Undertaker.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Clarity » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:52 pm

This post made me wonder out of the 2,500-3,000 people each cycle that get 170 or above, how many are on TLS?

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Miracle » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:11 pm

Clarity wrote:This post made me wonder out of the 2,500-3,000 people each cycle that get 170 or above, how many are on TLS?


all of them!

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Excel » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:09 pm

This is an interesting post.

If you want to get even further details....what happens to extreme splitters? I.E. folks in the 3.0-3.3 range with 170+? Or even 175+? There must be some.

Do all go to 15-30 schools with $$$$ as opposed to paying top dollar for top 14?

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby bk1 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:11 pm

Clarity wrote:This post made me wonder out of the 2,500-3,000 people each cycle that get 170 or above, how many are on TLS?


LSN had, I think, about 800ish people with 170+ LSATs last cycle.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Excel » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:42 pm

I would also be interested in any insight to the power of scoring a 180.

I.E. can a 180 get a 3.0 gpa into top 3? etc

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby bk1 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:44 pm

Excel wrote:I would also be interested in any insight to the power of scoring a 180.

I.E. can a 180 get a 3.0 gpa into top 3? etc


No, a 180 GPA is very unlikely to get a 3.0 into HYS. I don't think a 180 solves problems for splitters at schools that don't like splitters (HYS, Boalt, Duke, UCLA, UT, etc).

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Miracle » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:06 pm

bk1 wrote:
Excel wrote:I would also be interested in any insight to the power of scoring a 180.

I.E. can a 180 get a 3.0 gpa into top 3? etc


No, a 180 GPA is very unlikely to get a 3.0 into HYS. I don't think a 180 solves problems for splitters at schools that don't like splitters (HYS, Boalt, Duke, UCLA, UT, etc).


its not the end of the world...

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby tomwatts » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:18 pm

I had another thought after I posted the above, which means I have to revise my conclusions.

To damp down the uncertainty... from LSAC's Repeater Data, it appears that in 2008-2009, 283 people who got 170+ on a previous test repeated. So of those 4287-ish people who got 170's, about 4000 of those were new test-takers. This, on further thought, makes more sense anyway: only a small fraction of people who score 170 or above decide to retake anyway. Thus, we're talking 4000 actual people who got 170 or above, some of whom scored that twice.

So in reality, we're probably talking about 2500 matriculants to the t14 or so out of 4000 people who scored 170 or above on the LSAT. That's less drastic than I thought. I wonder about the other 1500, give or take, who don't go to top schools. I guess they're getting money at regional/local schools. As noted in the original post, there's good reason to think that at least some people with 170+ are going to schools ranked all the way down to 35 or 40, which means that about 25 schools are battling over about 1500 people -- which would still be 60 people per school, so that might not be right, since it would likely affect 75th percentiles. Maybe an average of 40 per school or something, accounting for 1000 of them, and then the remaining bunch go to schools below the top 40 or don't go to law school at all? At this point I'm just speculating.

EDIT: As to the 180 question, search on LSN for people like this. This guy is a 180/3.0 who got into GW. I suspect that the 180 doesn't do much more than a 170 or so would; you could run some LSAC simulations to see what it says. Might push you from GW to Vanderbilt or something like that.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Adjudicator » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:41 pm

Very interesting post. I guess if I end up going to UW as I have planned, that would make me a major anomaly.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby r2b2ct » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:48 pm

tomwatts wrote:I had another thought after I posted the above, which means I have to revise my conclusions.

To damp down the uncertainty... from LSAC's Repeater Data, it appears that in 2008-2009, 283 people who got 170+ on a previous test repeated. So of those 4287-ish people who got 170's, about 4000 of those were new test-takers. This, on further thought, makes more sense anyway: only a small fraction of people who score 170 or above decide to retake anyway. Thus, we're talking 4000 actual people who got 170 or above, some of whom scored that twice.

So in reality, we're probably talking about 2500 matriculants to the t14 or so out of 4000 people who scored 170 or above on the LSAT. That's less drastic than I thought. I wonder about the other 1500, give or take, who don't go to top schools. I guess they're getting money at regional/local schools. As noted in the original post, there's good reason to think that at least some people with 170+ are going to schools ranked all the way down to 35 or 40, which means that about 25 schools are battling over about 1500 people -- which would still be 60 people per school, so that might not be right, since it would likely affect 75th percentiles. Maybe an average of 40 per school or something, accounting for 1000 of them, and then the remaining bunch go to schools below the top 40 or don't go to law school at all? At this point I'm just speculating.

EDIT: As to the 180 question, search on LSN for people like this. This guy is a 180/3.0 who got into GW. I suspect that the 180 doesn't do much more than a 170 or so would; you could run some LSAC simulations to see what it says. Might push you from GW to Vanderbilt or something like that.

But wouldn't this assume that every applicant that scores 170+ eventually matriculates somewhere? I'm not saying this is necessarily a game-changing assumption, but it doesn't seem like you are accounting for those who apply and decide to do something else. I'm probably overlooking something so feel free to call me an idiot.

EDIT: It seems you did mention this possibility in this post. :oops:

EDIT 2: The one thing that I found that even mentions people who are admitted somewhere but do not matriculate is below. The last table shows percentages based on age and indicates that somewhere around 15% of admits choose not to matriculate anywhere.
http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Data/ ... -Group.pdf

I'm not sure to what extent these general percentages are relevant for 170+ scorers though. There may be some better data floating around somewhere.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby TatteredDignity » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:16 pm

tomwatts wrote:I had another thought after I posted the above, which means I have to revise my conclusions.

To damp down the uncertainty... from LSAC's Repeater Data, it appears that in 2008-2009, 283 people who got 170+ on a previous test repeated. So of those 4287-ish people who got 170's, about 4000 of those were new test-takers. This, on further thought, makes more sense anyway: only a small fraction of people who score 170 or above decide to retake anyway. Thus, we're talking 4000 actual people who got 170 or above, some of whom scored that twice.

So in reality, we're probably talking about 2500 matriculants to the t14 or so out of 4000 people who scored 170 or above on the LSAT. That's less drastic than I thought. I wonder about the other 1500, give or take, who don't go to top schools. I guess they're getting money at regional/local schools. As noted in the original post, there's good reason to think that at least some people with 170+ are going to schools ranked all the way down to 35 or 40, which means that about 25 schools are battling over about 1500 people -- which would still be 60 people per school, so that might not be right, since it would likely affect 75th percentiles. Maybe an average of 40 per school or something, accounting for 1000 of them, and then the remaining bunch go to schools below the top 40 or don't go to law school at all? At this point I'm just speculating.

EDIT: As to the 180 question, search on LSN for people like this. This guy is a 180/3.0 who got into GW. I suspect that the 180 doesn't do much more than a 170 or so would; you could run some LSAC simulations to see what it says. Might push you from GW to Vanderbilt or something like that.


The bold is absolutely true. I'm a 175/2.5 and my GPA makes my LSAT just a nice number to look at, for the most part. For the schools I have a shot at, I'm guessing a 170 or so would do the trick, as well.

On a side note, I'll either be (hopefully) taking money at my market-dominant regional that is outside the T50, or paying a chunk at WUSTL (again hopefully). So yeah, 170+s go to those kind of schools under the right circumstances.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Sandro » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:35 pm

Im kind of glad I didnt get a 170. WUSTL at sticker or something is kinda scary. 167 FTW.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:58 am

Sandro wrote:Im kind of glad I didnt get a 170. WUSTL at sticker or something is kinda scary. 167 FTW.


WUSTL is probably a bad example, since they throw money at splitters too.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby JazzOne » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:00 am

We get 170 virgins.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby redsox » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:20 am

There are probably also quite a few 170+ out there who have decent job offers and don't end up going to law school.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby Sandro » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:43 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:
Sandro wrote:Im kind of glad I didnt get a 170. WUSTL at sticker or something is kinda scary. 167 FTW.


WUSTL is probably a bad example, since they throw money at splitters too.


eh I guess but i'm a splitter so I never expect any $

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby david.patel » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:03 pm

Thank you! This is very interesting.

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby robotclubmember » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:26 am

i'm still curious what tomwatt's rap sheet has on it. a 180 and the guy doesn't go to law school? i think he actually killed somebody or something.

as usual though, great read, thanks for posting!

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Re: What happens to people who get 170 and above?

Postby jazzmastersc » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:57 am

suspicious android wrote:Yeah, not hugely surprising. Only weird test prep professionals take the test without the aim of going to law school.


I better send off the last of my apps.




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