coldshoulder wrote:That's it Eich! I was gonna say, the argument does say law-abiding citizens mostly create the environment, I guess the distinction is the 'all' used.
Thanks guys!
No prob! And soj - you were more succinct

coldshoulder wrote:That's it Eich! I was gonna say, the argument does say law-abiding citizens mostly create the environment, I guess the distinction is the 'all' used.
Thanks guys!
Eichörnchen wrote:Just did PT 37-
RC: -2/26
LR1: -3/26
LG: -5/24
LR2: -0/25
raw 91
scaled 170
Very glad to get another PT in the 170s. I was afraid I was going to do really poorly because I went to the neurologist and got an EEG and it took longer than I thought so I rushed home and sat down to PT right away. Turns out after you spend over an hour getting electrodes glued all over your head, then told to lay without moving a muscle for 20 minutes, then get strobe lights flashed in your eyes for a while (trippppyyy), then made to hyperventilate for 5 minutes and finally told to lay in a dark room and try to sleep, you feel kinda out of it for the LSAT you do immediately afterwards
I guess it was good practice for whatever they do to us before the test starts. I'm also happy about my 3rd -0 on an LR section, but I think it's weird that I'll always get a -0 and then like -3. You'd think I'd get the hardest one or two from each instead of all right and then 3 wrong. Hmm. Well, I'm off to wash electrode glue out of my hair, it's been driving me nuts!
Edited for phone type fail
dr123 wrote:RC is killin me. Anyone have any tips? I struggle with the questions more than the text itself. I feel like a major problem is Ive been approaching the Qs the same way I approach LR
99.9luft wrote:99.9luft wrote:OhOkay wrote:99.9luft wrote:Question: how do you guys a) classify and b) go about doing the following question stem:
"The columnist's reasoning above most closely conforms to which one of the following principles?"
From my understanding, we have to strengthen the principle below (after we find it) with the reasoning in the stimulus. The MLSAT goes over Principle Example questions, where an principle is on the top (stimulus) and the example/reasoning is on the bottom (answer choices), yet the guide does not mention a scenario where we are having the reasoning in the stimulus conform to the principle in the answer choices.
Feedback is much appreciated!
I think of it this way: the correct AC contains a principle that basically justifies the scenario in the stimulus.
Wait, according to what you just said, i.e. using the answer choice to justify a scenario in the stimulus - it is a Principle Support (strengthen) question and not a Principle Example question. Basically the difference between the two types comes down to who conforms to whom:
Ex 1: "The reasoning above most closely conforms to which one of the following principles?"
Ex 2: "Which of the principle below most closely conforms to the argument above?"
In both examples 'conforms' means 'supports' or 'justifies.' In ex 1, the conformity is top-down, when in ex 2 it is bottom-up.
Now, usually, the Principle Example questions (bottom-up) has the principle in the stimulus (e.g. "Which one of the following most closely conforms to the principle above?"). The reason for my confusion is because in my example (the bolded) the principle is on the bottom instead of on top.
Anyone else?
99.9luft wrote:Anyone else?
99.9luft wrote:In both examples 'conforms' means 'supports' or 'justifies.' In ex 1, the conformity is top-down, when in ex 2 it is bottom-up.
Hunterrhoid wrote:99.9luft wrote:In both examples 'conforms' means 'supports' or 'justifies.' In ex 1, the conformity is top-down, when in ex 2 it is bottom-up.
I disagree, and I think this might be the source of confusion. I think that in this case, 'conforms' is directionally neutral, like an equals (=) sign. I look at these questions more like a parallel reasoning question, but abstracted one degree.
pkpop wrote:Anyone know of a list or LR problem set that deals explicitly with numbers and percentages in questions? I'd like to get over the general discomfort I have when reading a stim that throws out percentages or numbers and you have to find the flaw/strengthen it/weaken it.
Edit: Nevermind. After searching a few different random terms in the forum, I found http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=108425
I'll just take the #s & % questions off of that. If you haven't seen this list though, it might be helpful to some of you for specific types.
jim-green wrote:Folks, I have pretty much seen all the PT RC passages, yet my RC scores are not too good. But redoing RC passages, I remember all the answers. Need some more practice. What do you recommend? I could read LSAT-sizes passages from journals and formulate the main point, author's purpose, and organization. Or I could buy the $70 Cambridge LSAT book of PTs 1-8, 17, 39 and 40. I already got it last year and filled it in, so I do know the passages, but haven't done them in 3 months. Don't want to spend the $70 again.
Are there any cheaper books by prep companies having fake RC passages?
geverett wrote:Here is one more. PT 41 Section #1 question 23
geverett wrote:Alright here is a question for you. PT 40 Section 3 #17. I would like to hear a good explanation for A over B. The reason being on is a mistaken negation and the other is a mistaken reversal. Are they not logical equivalents? In this case should we just choose the MR over the MN since that is the same thing in the stimulus. Seems funny to me and somewhat inconsistent especially given the fact that a correct answer on another parallel question i had was a mistaken negation and the stimulus had a mistaken reversal. =) Perhaps I am missing something here.
tmon wrote:Just took PT 52. Decent LR, but holy crap why am I so bad at RC?!
LR1: -3
LG: -1
LR2: -5
RC: -8(!!!)
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-17/+82=164
So many things went wrong with RC. Didn't get to the last two questions (which I answered correctly after time was up, so that's a hypothetical +2). I've tried switching the order I read passages for the past couple tests, which actually is yielding good results on the last two passages (which I read first), got a -1, and then on the first two -7.
I'd say I need to slow down in RC, but I'm not even finishing. The -1 from the last two is definitely because I took those two slower though. Maybe if I do read a bit slower I'll be able to answer the questions faster, a la the LG section. This strategy also is paying off on LR I think. I was pushing myself too fast in the first 15 to read through stimuli/answer choices quickly instead of understanding things efficiently. If I can just get around -2/-3 on both sections, I'll be pretty happy (wouldn't we all).
Any suggestions on RC? I'm just not sure what to do. I still have plent of old passages, but taking/reviewing them hasn't seemed to help me much...
(edits to correct my acronyms...)
99.9luft wrote:tmon wrote:Just took PT 52. Decent LR, but holy crap why am I so bad at RC?!
LR1: -3
LG: -1
LR2: -5
RC: -8(!!!)
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-17/+82=164
So many things went wrong with RC. Didn't get to the last two questions (which I answered correctly after time was up, so that's a hypothetical +2). I've tried switching the order I read passages for the past couple tests, which actually is yielding good results on the last two passages (which I read first), got a -1, and then on the first two -7.
I'd say I need to slow down in RC, but I'm not even finishing. The -1 from the last two is definitely because I took those two slower though. Maybe if I do read a bit slower I'll be able to answer the questions faster, a la the LG section. This strategy also is paying off on LR I think. I was pushing myself too fast in the first 15 to read through stimuli/answer choices quickly instead of understanding things efficiently. If I can just get around -2/-3 on both sections, I'll be pretty happy (wouldn't we all).
Any suggestions on RC? I'm just not sure what to do. I still have plent of old passages, but taking/reviewing them hasn't seemed to help me much...
(edits to correct my acronyms...)
have you bought the MLSAT RC guide? if not, do it.
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