December 2010 Initial Reactions

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby lisavj » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:48 pm

SchopenhauerFTW wrote:
lisavj wrote:On another note, I'll throw in my cards with the "Games sections make me wonder if I'm actually qualified to be in Law School" crowd.

I have a 165 from October. I think I may have still gotten that score even with my predicted -12 on the section-that-shall-not-be-named (because I liken it to Voldemort in it's ability to murder me, and apparently others and because of the LSAC). I was doing so much better too.

I think I wouldn't be able to sit well with not knowing, so I prolly won't cancel. Just hoping this doesn't mean I wait a year to get into law school...but if it does I guess I could always work for a non profit for a bit and get some other experience. Bright side :D


Saw you avatar and was reminded of home. Games might have cost me my UC dreams.


I'm wondering the same thing...but we'll be in the bay either way - husband has a job which pays the bills and all that. I'll cheer you on in the UC Berk hopefuls thread!

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby URMdan » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:49 pm

was 65yr old ppl's sunburn in the same section as stars?

was augustus exp?
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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby Heidelightful » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:49 pm

Oh my gosh, I almost had a heart attack... I remember 23 on LG too.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby Tullstone » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:50 pm

Can someone explain how a test that is scaled into percentiles is curved before the test data is taken?!?

How is it possible that out of all the test takers, no one fits into the 99th percentile?? How do they predict how many students will get so many questions wrong before hand? If they did, wouldn't it be technically unfair if the test is difficult for most people who function at the 90th percentile? Doesnt that give people who attend other administrations an arbitrary advantage, depending on how LSAT thinks their own test is?

If they do, why they hell does it take a month for me to get my goddamn score?
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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby abb586 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:50 pm

Cpwilson wrote:During the logic games, I actually just gave up for a second and thought "why would anyone ever build a window with ONLY green, orange, and purple? Disgusting."


Congratulations Cpwilson... this is the first time I've posted on TLS and it's because your post actually made me laugh out loud. Nicely done. :)

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby thegarciab0y » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:51 pm

hahaha

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby bartleby » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:52 pm

URMdan wrote:was 65yr old ppl's sunburn in the same section as stars?

was augustus exp?


Probably. I had 3 LR and that one was easy as balls so probably won't count.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby joebloe » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:53 pm

Tullstone wrote:Can someone explain how a test that is scaled into percentiles is curved before the test data is taken?!?

How is it possible that out of all the test takers, no one fits into the 99th percentile?? How do they predict how many students will get so many questions wrong before hand? If they do, why they hell does it take a month for me to get my goddamn score?


It's possible for there not to be a 99th percentile if the number of people who got the highest score in a given administration was greater than 1% of all the people taking that administration.

I think anyway. I suck at stats.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby akili » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:53 pm

That LG WAS hard. I feel like the LR and RC sections weren't that bad though and maybe they'll make up for it? I have no idea how I did. Please let me have improved! 3 points and I'll be satisfied.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby SupraVln180 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:54 pm

23 on LG, I am 150% sure, I checked 6 times b/c I knew there would be a thread like this where everyone starts freaking each other out.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby DukeCornell » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:54 pm

Good luck everyone! (I have to go beg for a few more fee waivers.)

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby Tullstone » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:55 pm

joebloe wrote:
Tullstone wrote:Can someone explain how a test that is scaled into percentiles is curved before the test data is taken?!?

How is it possible that out of all the test takers, no one fits into the 99th percentile?? How do they predict how many students will get so many questions wrong before hand? If they do, why they hell does it take a month for me to get my goddamn score?


It's possible for there not to be a 99th percentile if the number of people who got the highest score in a given administration was greater than 1% of all the people taking that administration.

I think anyway. I suck at stats.


so then the 98th percentile would be a 180.. or something lower than 98?

This still doesnt make any sennse how they would manage to judge the difficulty of a test. What if they thought something easy was really hard? Then who gets screwed/boosted? This doesnt make sense if they want to ensure test validity

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby cardinals03 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:57 pm

Heidelightful wrote:Oh my gosh, I almost had a heart attack... I remember 23 on LG too.

Ok--just to confirm, it was 23 on LG? I almost passed out when I read the other post!!

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby bartleby » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:57 pm

Real test: was 26, 26, 27, 23 - I checked at least three times because I left a question out last go-around.

I also heard someone say during break (right after they said we couldn't talk about it during break) that his first section had 28... I was guessing exp. RC but maybe he miscounted. Or hopefully misbubbled - help the curveee.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby lisavj » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:58 pm

Tullstone wrote:Can someone explain how a test that is scaled into percentiles is curved before the test data is taken?!?

How is it possible that out of all the test takers, no one fits into the 99th percentile?? How do they predict how many students will get so many questions wrong before hand? If they did, wouldn't it be technically unfair if the test is difficult for most people who function at the 90th percentile? Doesnt that give people who attend other administrations an arbitrary advantage, depending on how LSAT thinks their own test is?

If they do, why they hell does it take a month for me to get my goddamn score?


My Guess:
That's why you have an experimental section - they want to get a general idea of what questions trip people up who score 140, 150, 160, 170...I believe that's also why Feb is undisclosed. You'll notice the practice tests are only the four scored sections, not the ES.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby chup » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:00 pm

peter844 wrote:Can someone pm me if they got any A,s for game three, I may cancel cause I guessed on that one ran out of time

Enjoy your 24-hour vacation.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby Redamon1 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:01 pm

LawPlz wrote:I had

LR RC LR LR LG


I know the first LR must have been the experimental unless the test was out of 102 (which is highly unlikely)



I had the same order. But I've seen folks on this thread argue that that the third LR was the experimental. Which was really the experimental LR?

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby ffonsok » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:02 pm

Extremely frustrated right now. After studying all summer and preptesting religiously, I got a 153 in October. I had been preptesting 160-165.
Today, after preptesting extensively (with 15 credit courseload) I took the LSAT again.

I aced the experimental LG, 100%. It was unbelievably easy.
When I got to the second LG segment, my heart sank. While the last game was easy, I know I guessed on a ton of these.

I was hoping to apply in this cycle, not trying to go to a top-10 but I would be perfectly happy with UW or Seattle U.

What's my play here? Hope that I did better on this test than in October? I felt quite confident on LR, but I always tend to drop AT LEAST 4-5 on each. I could have dropped anywhere from 4-7 on Reading Comp.... I guessed B on three blindly. I could have dropped anywhere from 6- 12 on the LG, frankly. Although I didn't guess flat-out on more than 3-4, I did NOT feel confident at all.

After the test I broke down when I found out the real LG was the one I bombed. My score could be anywhere from 153-159 I would guess.

Ugh. I'd appreciate some feedback, but i dont know what people can tell me right now. This site should really have an emoticon with a gun in its mouth.

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby Tullstone » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:04 pm

lisavj wrote:
Tullstone wrote:Can someone explain how a test that is scaled into percentiles is curved before the test data is taken?!?

How is it possible that out of all the test takers, no one fits into the 99th percentile?? How do they predict how many students will get so many questions wrong before hand? If they did, wouldn't it be technically unfair if the test is difficult for most people who function at the 90th percentile? Doesnt that give people who attend other administrations an arbitrary advantage, depending on how LSAT thinks their own test is?

If they do, why they hell does it take a month for me to get my goddamn score?


My Guess:
That's why you have an experimental section - they want to get a general idea of what questions trip people up who score 140, 150, 160, 170...I believe that's also why Feb is undisclosed. You'll notice the practice tests are only the four scored sections, not the ES.


But...

This still doesn't make sense. How could they predict the distribution without even knowing how many people take the test? To find out if you fit into the 90th percentile, wouldnt they have to see how many you have gotten correctly vesus how many the others have gotten correctly, and how many test takers there are?

WTF?!

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby akikaze » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:05 pm

I thought there were a good number of very difficult LR questions on this exam -- arthritis anyone? Privatizing parks? Symptoms of mental issues? These were all quite hard for me!
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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:05 pm

Good Luck you all! You're all getting 180s I can feel it! :D

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby Tullstone » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:06 pm

s0ph1e2007 wrote:Good Luck you all! You're all getting 180s I can feel it! :D


this kind of comment means nothing to a cynical crowd lol.. But thanks

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Re: December 2010 Initial Reactions

Postby sunnyD » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:08 pm

Anomaly wrote:Anyone else agree that opening up the test to Lichens was painful?

True that.

I had RC LR RC LG LR and radioactivity carbon/lichens was the first thing that showed up.
I think this was the one with jewlett/caries...and can't remember the third one now.

Are you guys sure the RC with bepop was experimental?

Shit, I owned the second RC and got pwned by the first RC, mostly cuz i didnt have too much time to work thru jewlett...thanks to still warming up reading to lichens..(that so sounds wrong)......so sounds like the first one was the real deal; is this right?

Wat was up with stainglass windows?!? LR was much more reasonable than Oct I thought; games were a little more challenging (although 1 & 4 were freebies). RC too was more reasonable than Oct....now if only I wasn't so caught up with freakin' Jewlettin' lichens.....




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