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Helping Out a Friend...

Postby The Gentleman » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:52 am

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Re: Helping Out a Friend...

Postby gambelda » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:54 am

at the 130 point, isn't it better to skip certain portions of the test? Tell him to find the 3 apparent "easiest RC passages" do those, guess on the rest. Do question 1-14 in each LR section, then 22 and beyond, then guess the rest.

Tell him to focus exclusively on games and only do 3 of them. Easiest section to improve upon.

If he can do that, I imagine he'd hit somewhere areound the 148ish range?


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Re: Helping Out a Friend...

Postby tomwatts » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:46 pm

gambelda wrote:If he can do that, I imagine he'd hit somewhere areound the 148ish range?

Depends on the accuracy that you're assuming. In order to hit 150, you need to do slightly more than half the questions with about 90% accuracy or better and guess on the rest. In order to hit 160, you need to do slightly more than 3/4 of the questions with about 90% accuracy or better and guess on the rest.

Thus, someone who's struggling even to hit a 150 first needs to work on slowing way the heck down and being very accurate. Give yourself 17.5 minutes per passage. Give yourself 17.5 minutes per game. Give yourself 3 minutes per LR question. Nail those questions. If you can do that, you can get pretty close to a 150. Then you can work your way up from there, slowly starting to build up speed: 16 minutes per game/passage. Then 15. Then 14. Similarly, in LR, you'll start by hitting about 12-13 questions per 35 minutes, so step your way up to 14, then 15, then 16. Maintain accuracy at all times, and if you can't, slow back down to where you're accurate again (hopefully not back to the beginning, but just slow down by a tiny bit) and work your way back up. This sort of thing can push someone from high 140's to mid-150's.

Here's the thing. The December test is in under a month. There may not be time for a 20-point improvement in about 3 weeks. A person who's in the 130's has serious conceptual issues with the LSAT, fundamental understanding problems that need to be worked out before he can be as accurate as is necessary to get any kind of even slightly respectable score. That's going to take a lot of work, possibly too much for It can happen, but it's also not terribly likely. This person may need to postpone to February. A score under 150 is not likely to get you in anywhere accredited by the ABA.

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Re: Helping Out a Friend...

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:14 pm

Just pure guessing should give you a score in the mid-120s. So a score in the 130s is barely better than random chance.

I would be interested to know if he understands the ones he's getting right. Is he getting through the entire test and choosing answers he honestly thinks is correct, or is he not even comprehending what most of the questions are asking, and guessing? Does he know what conclusions and stems are, and sufficient vs. necessary, and how to set up even a simple grouping game?

OP, you're the one who knows him. In your opinion, is he a 5th percentile guy? If he seems relatively bright in other areas, I'd think there's a chance he can be taught the fundamentals and make a big improvment. On the other hand, the numbers say that someone has to be in the 5th percentile.

Either way, I don't think there's any way he could be ready for December. It's possible he could be taught the logical concepts needed (people have certainly improved on scores as low as that), but not in 5 weeks. Maybe by June.

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Re: Helping Out a Friend...

Postby 3|ink » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:37 pm

What was his major?

It could just be a reading disorder. Tell him to spend a few months reading heavy material and take the test in June.

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