Re: Engineer in trouble
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:05 am
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rinkrat19 wrote:Fellow engineer here. Sorry, I don't think you can blame your LSAT troubles on your major.thegarciab0y wrote:I have a feeling engineering has dramatically inclined my academic skills toward pure analytical and I have almost no reasoning skills despite my completion of the LR bible.
Are you a fast reader? I found that to be a major advantage. I don't know how much it can be improved in a couple of weeks/months, but I've read voraciously my whole life and can get through a 600-page book in a day and a half (just in my spare time off work). The RC reading selections take me less than 2 minutes each, giving me much more time for actually answering questions. If you're taking 4 minutes to slog through the reading selection, think about how much time that's wasting.
TLS recommends reading dense material like The Economist and Scientific American to improve your speed and absorption of the boring stuff you'll find on the LSAT.
When you review your answers on a PT, don't just look at the ones you get wrong. Also review the ones you got right. You need to be able to explain to yourself why the correct answer is correct and the incorrect ones are incorrect. Confirm to yourself your answer choice on the ones you got right, and convince yourself of the correct answer on the ones you got wrong.
I don't think there's any way to fix "careless mistakes due to juggling too much information in my head" except to, well, not make careless mistakes. If you ignore the time limit, do you reduce the careless mistakes? I'd try taking a PT with unlimited time to see whether it's the material or the time limit affecting you most. Not everyone agrees, but I personally say aim for quality first, and then work on quantity (speed). The only section I personally had time issues on was LG, but first I worked at mastering the LG skills (with no time limit), and as I got more comfortable with the material, my speed gradually increased on its own.
Are you using the spreadsheets available to identify which types of questions give you the most trouble? LSAC also has the ItemWise service on the shop on LSAC.org, which keeps track of what answers you're getting wrong and explains the solutions.
Whoa, wait, what?! You aren't applying for another three years? Then what the heck are you trying to rush for?!thegarciab0y wrote:One more thing for all of those who have chimed in giving me advice, I took another PT yesterday and scored 65 Raw Points / 154 Score. One thing that actually made me much more confident was the fact that I reached question #18 on LR when time was up and I missed only 1 question out of those 18, and then picked up another 2 free-bees on all guesses up to question 26. Also my games score was at only 19/22 which was rare because I always score above 20 and it was just due to careless mistakes (ones I definitely won’t be making again). For some odd reason since the other LR was last I was somewhat tired and the test fatigue set in and I only got 16 correct :/, but I’m extremely confident within the next few weeks I will be able to get those up to 20 correct each section since I am drilling my reasoning everyday reviewing every single question correct and incorrect. Since my goal is a 160 by test day (December), I am aiming for exactly 75 Raw which I have basically broken down to a science LG (20) LR1 (20) LR2 (20) and RC(15). Does anybody think this goal is attainable in 4 weeks since I am testing at a 154 as of right now?? Somebody said reschedule until Feb but I am taking 4 classes next semester and only 2 right now and I feel as though I won’t have a free weekend to spare come January, but maybe double-reschedule until June since my Spring semester ends on April 20th and prep for a hardcore 6 weeks? Or would I lose my skills come then?? I am planning on applying to the Fall 2013 cycle. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
I transitioned from a career in teaching, and I had worked in the research sciences before that. My LSAT and application process were not as quick as many others. I went to law school about three years after I decided to do it, and I spent two of those years prepping for the LSAT, researching schools, retaking the LSAT, and applying.thegarciab0y wrote:Ehhh, good point, I just thought that I would be pro-active and jump on top of it this semester since I am only taking 3 classes and for the next year or so I will be taking 4-5 classes a semester and I won’t exactly be sitting around twiddling my thumbs with extra time laying around. With that said, I figured right now would be the best time to take it since I have a medium-light course load instead of having a heavy course load, makes sense right? I don’t have a problem post-poning it if it really is the smart thing to do, it’s just that after a heavy semester I feel like I won’t be fresh on the material like I am now and the past 3 months of studying for December will be somewhat of a waste, I don’t know. How do some of you really devote 100% of your time to this at any particular time of the year, summers? No jobs? No classes? How?
I didn't actually study for the LSAT, so no, I did not devote 100% of my time. But I do read a lot. If you have years left, READ for crying out loud, and then take the test. If you were averaging 175s, I would say, sure, go ahead and take it now, why not? But since you aren't even close to where, in all likelihood, you could be, you should definitely just wait.thegarciab0y wrote:Ehhh, good point, I just thought that I would be pro-active and jump on top of it this semester since I am only taking 3 classes and for the next year or so I will be taking 4-5 classes a semester and I won’t exactly be sitting around twiddling my thumbs with extra time laying around. With that said, I figured right now would be the best time to take it since I have a medium-light course load instead of having a heavy course load, makes sense right? I don’t have a problem post-poning it if it really is the smart thing to do, it’s just that after a heavy semester I feel like I won’t be fresh on the material like I am now and the past 3 months of studying for December will be somewhat of a waste, I don’t know. How do some of you really devote 100% of your time to this at any particular time of the year, summers? No jobs? No classes? How?
I like The Economist. I'd throw in Scientific American to make sure you're up to speed with science vocabulary.thegarciab0y wrote:Probably going to post-pone until next June, definitely not taking it in February since all the bad things I have heard about that test. Going to start reading the Economist on spare time to boost my reading, and sprinkle PT’s from now until June. Also going to practice every game on every PT at least twice probably 3 times, I should not be missing any points due to games.
Engineer in troubleJazzOne wrote:I like The Economist. I'd throw in Scientific American to make sure you're up to speed with science vocabulary.thegarciab0y wrote:Probably going to post-pone until next June, definitely not taking it in February since all the bad things I have heard about that test. Going to start reading the Economist on spare time to boost my reading, and sprinkle PT’s from now until June. Also going to practice every game on every PT at least twice probably 3 times, I should not be missing any points due to games.
I don't know much about engineering, but I seriously doubt they read much about cell biology, evolution, globing warming. I'm talking about popular science. There is a particular vocabulary for these fields that is not commonly used in regular circles.stratocophic wrote:Engineer in troubleJazzOne wrote:I like The Economist. I'd throw in Scientific American to make sure you're up to speed with science vocabulary.thegarciab0y wrote:Probably going to post-pone until next June, definitely not taking it in February since all the bad things I have heard about that test. Going to start reading the Economist on spare time to boost my reading, and sprinkle PT’s from now until June. Also going to practice every game on every PT at least twice probably 3 times, I should not be missing any points due to games.
If scientific vocab's his issue, he has bigger problems than the LSAT
It's a property of nerdery, engineers that are worth anything have wider knowledge bases than are encompassed by their fields of study becauseJazzOne wrote:I don't know much about engineering, but I seriously doubt they read much about cell biology, evolution, globing warming. I'm talking about popular science. There is a particular vocabulary for these fields that is not commonly used in regular circles.stratocophic wrote:Engineer in troubleJazzOne wrote:I like The Economist. I'd throw in Scientific American to make sure you're up to speed with science vocabulary.thegarciab0y wrote:Probably going to post-pone until next June, definitely not taking it in February since all the bad things I have heard about that test. Going to start reading the Economist on spare time to boost my reading, and sprinkle PT’s from now until June. Also going to practice every game on every PT at least twice probably 3 times, I should not be missing any points due to games.
If scientific vocab's his issue, he has bigger problems than the LSAT
TBF, most of the engineers I know are all about the tech journals and mags, so it probably would be a good idea for OP to pick up that habitJazzOne wrote:OK, fair enough. OP doesn't seem like much of a reader though. I find it helpful to be familiar with the various positions in modern popular science. The LSAT is so predictable, and even the arguments section relies heavy on modern science themes.
No. The level of technical detail in LSAT "Science" passages is so low any engineer should be fine with it. Just being able to read scientific context is more than enough.stratocophic wrote:TBF, most of the engineers I know are all about the tech journals and mags, so it probably would be a good idea for OP to pick up that habitJazzOne wrote:OK, fair enough. OP doesn't seem like much of a reader though. I find it helpful to be familiar with the various positions in modern popular science. The LSAT is so predictable, and even the arguments section relies heavy on modern science themes.