2 quick questions about Saturday's test

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2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Ascend » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:00 am

Hi all, I've been reading this forum for a while but finally decided to register because I have a few quick questions.

1. Marking answers: I know you don't get time to fill in your sheet after time is called, but, can you "neaten" your answers? Here's what I mean. Say for instance, instead of bubbling in my answers as I go, that I instead put a small "tick" in that bubble. Now, when I'm working on section two, I finish early, so I go ahead and fill in those ticks I made in section 1. I know it seems trivial but experimenting with this method I've found that I can gain an extra 15 - 20 seconds for any given section. I know that you can't open your book back to a section, but are you prohibited from making marks on your answer sheet in any section other than the one you are working on.

It seems that even if you weren't doing this for all your questions, that if you noticed that you only partially filled out a bubble in one section, that you would be able to complete the bubble anyway.

2. Regarding the experimental section. I thought I'd read this somewhere, but can't find the info, so I'll ask it here. Is the experimental section always after the corresponding actual section, or can it appear before? Again, for example, if I am working on my 2nd games section or perhaps my 2nd reading comprehension section, can I assume that the 2nd of either (or the 3rd logic reasoning) is the experimental section, or can they appear in any order (ie, experimental games, then the graded games)?

I thought I read that when encountering a section that was outside of the normal distribution (for example, a 2nd games section) that you would know that the section was the experimental section, but wanted to find out if this was true or not.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby rso11 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:03 am

Don't know about your first question - useful strategy though, if you can do it.

Have never heard of the second question - but I have heard that the experimental section is usually one of the first 3 sections.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby plenipotentiary » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:06 am

You cannot neaten your answers, and you are prohibited from making marks on your answer sheet in any section other than the one you're working on, for exactly the reason you want to do it: it gives you extra time.

The experimental can appear anywhere and in any order, but it traditionally comes before the break. If you get one Games section before the break, and one Games section after, then the one before the break was most likely your experimental.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Dany » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:08 am

1. No. Proctors roam around the room, and this counts as working on another section. Tiny benefit of 15 seconds saved is not worth the risk of a misconduct.

2. LSAC has not confirmed this, but all data points to the experimental section always being one of the first three sections. There isn't a set relationship with where it's placed relative to its real counterpart. I had three LRs: real(1) - experimental(3) - real(5) (so it came both after and before...)

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Fresh » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:08 am

Ascend wrote:Hi all, I've been reading this forum for a while but finally decided to register because I have a few quick questions.

1. Marking answers: I know you don't get time to fill in your sheet after time is called, but, can you "neaten" your answers? Here's what I mean. Say for instance, instead of bubbling in my answers as I go, that I instead put a small "tick" in that bubble. Now, when I'm working on section two, I finish early, so I go ahead and fill in those ticks I made in section 1. I know it seems trivial but experimenting with this method I've found that I can gain an extra 15 - 20 seconds for any given section. I know that you can't open your book back to a section, but are you prohibited from making marks on your answer sheet in any section other than the one you are working on.

It seems that even if you weren't doing this for all your questions, that if you noticed that you only partially filled out a bubble in one section, that you would be able to complete the bubble anyway.

2. Regarding the experimental section. I thought I'd read this somewhere, but can't find the info, so I'll ask it here. Is the experimental section always after the corresponding actual section, or can it appear before? Again, for example, if I am working on my 2nd games section or perhaps my 2nd reading comprehension section, can I assume that the 2nd of either (or the 3rd logic reasoning) is the experimental section, or can they appear in any order (ie, experimental games, then the graded games)?

I thought I read that when encountering a section that was outside of the normal distribution (for example, a 2nd games section) that you would know that the section was the experimental section, but wanted to find out if this was true or not.


#2) They can appear anywhere; but in all modern LSATs they have appeared before the 15 minute break. They can be the first, second, OR third LR section. Same deal with LG/RC.

#1) Not only does this sound like an awful testing strategy (what if you never get "ahead on time" in the next section and can't get to bubble in?), but this is also cheating. If a proctor noticed your response sheet with bubbles 'ticked' rather than filled in, then walks by later and sees them all filled in, you will get booted for misconduct. Of course you might not get caught, but the risk vs. reward is up to you to decide. I say DON'T do it. Just bubble for each section then leave it alone for the rest of the test.

Good luck

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby rso11 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:11 am

Fresh wrote:
Ascend wrote:Hi all, I've been reading this forum for a while but finally decided to register because I have a few quick questions.

1. Marking answers: I know you don't get time to fill in your sheet after time is called, but, can you "neaten" your answers? Here's what I mean. Say for instance, instead of bubbling in my answers as I go, that I instead put a small "tick" in that bubble. Now, when I'm working on section two, I finish early, so I go ahead and fill in those ticks I made in section 1. I know it seems trivial but experimenting with this method I've found that I can gain an extra 15 - 20 seconds for any given section. I know that you can't open your book back to a section, but are you prohibited from making marks on your answer sheet in any section other than the one you are working on.

It seems that even if you weren't doing this for all your questions, that if you noticed that you only partially filled out a bubble in one section, that you would be able to complete the bubble anyway.

2. Regarding the experimental section. I thought I'd read this somewhere, but can't find the info, so I'll ask it here. Is the experimental section always after the corresponding actual section, or can it appear before? Again, for example, if I am working on my 2nd games section or perhaps my 2nd reading comprehension section, can I assume that the 2nd of either (or the 3rd logic reasoning) is the experimental section, or can they appear in any order (ie, experimental games, then the graded games)?

I thought I read that when encountering a section that was outside of the normal distribution (for example, a 2nd games section) that you would know that the section was the experimental section, but wanted to find out if this was true or not.


#2) They can appear anywhere; but in all modern LSATs they have appeared before the 15 minute break. They can be the first, second, OR third LR section. Same deal with LG/RC.

#1) Not only does this sound like an awful testing strategy (what if you never get "ahead on time" in the next section and can't get to bubble in?), but this is also cheating. If a proctor noticed your response sheet with bubbles 'ticked' rather than filled in, then walks by later and sees them all filled in, you will get booted for misconduct. Of course you might not get caught, but the risk vs. reward is up to you to decide. I say DON'T do it. Just bubble for each section then leave it alone for the rest of the test.

Good luck


Is the experimental usually a LR? I was under the impression that it had an equal chance of being anything (LR, RC, LG).

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Dany » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:18 am

rso11 wrote:Is the experimental usually a LR? I was under the impression that it had an equal chance of being anything (LR, RC, LG).

I doubt anyone but LSAC could answer this for you, but simply because there are twice as many LR sections needed as either RC or LG, I'd think that the chances would be more like: 50% chance LR - 25% chance RC - 25% chance LG.

That's just speculation, but I don't see how you could test the same number of all three when you need twice as many LR questions for a real test.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby JJDancer » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:01 pm

I've taken the test before. I'm generally not an idiot. But I'll ask this for clarification.

I've gotten used to marking questions on the ANSWER sheet with a circle around the number if I am unsure of an answer. I do this to track how many "unsure"s I miss during PTs as well as to have a quick reference of which ones to check if I have extra time on a section..
Let's say during the test I run out of time to erase these marks before pencils down is called. Can I erase them at a later time/beginning of next section etc or is this techinically "working on another section"?

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Dany » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:04 pm

JJDancer wrote:I've taken the test before. I'm generally not an idiot. But I'll ask this for clarification.

I've gotten used to marking questions on the ANSWER sheet with a circle around the number if I am unsure of an answer. I do this to track how many "unsure"s I miss during PTs as well as to have a quick reference of which ones to check if I have extra time on a section..
Let's say during the test I run out of time to erase these marks before pencils down is called. Can I erase them at a later time/beginning of next section etc or is this techinically "working on another section"?

I think that would also be considered working on another section. Just not worth it.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Knock » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:05 pm

JJDancer wrote:I've taken the test before. I'm generally not an idiot. But I'll ask this for clarification.

I've gotten used to marking questions on the ANSWER sheet with a circle around the number if I am unsure of an answer. I do this to track how many "unsure"s I miss during PTs as well as to have a quick reference of which ones to check if I have extra time on a section..
Let's say during the test I run out of time to erase these marks before pencils down is called. Can I erase them at a later time/beginning of next section etc or is this techinically "working on another section"?


Working on another section. Don't do this. Circle it in your answer booklet. Safer + problem solved.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby JJDancer » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:10 pm

Figured as much. Thanks Eskimo and KG.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby jarofsoup » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:31 pm

Do not touch a prevoius section after the time limit is called ever this would be considered cheating by the proctors and you would be red flagged. Eventhough you would not be cheating.

I think this is considered to be cross section bubbling.

If you are not going to bubble neatly pay 45 dollors and have it hand graded.

The machine is pretty dam good at picking up your marks.

Best of luck.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Knock » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:36 pm

jarofsoup wrote:Do not touch a prevoius section after the time limit is called ever this would be considered cheating by the proctors and you would be red flagged. Eventhough you would not be cheating.

I think this is considered to be cross section bubbling.

If you are not going to bubble neatly pay 45 dollors and have it hand graded.

The machine is pretty dam good at picking up your marks.

Best of luck.


Surprisingly good.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Remnantofisrael » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:48 pm

Not reading all the posts-

JUST DO THIS-

On all non LG sections, circle answers, mark them in the book before you turn a page. Unless after 5 minutes left, then mark as you go.
On LG, after each game. Mark as you go on last LG.

ON EXPERIMENTAL

All you know is the experimental comes in the first 3 sections. 50% chance it's LR. If its not LR, you'll have two RC or LG, and IF they aren't both in the first 3, you'll know which is which.

But it doesn't matter one iota. People ALWAYS think they know which section is experimental, and are wrong about 50% of the time it seems. Just do your best on all the sections, and later tomorrow if you are concerned, come on here and chat with others and you'll figure out which is which based on which questions were absent on other's tests.

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Re: 2 quick questions about Saturday's test

Postby Ascend » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:37 pm

OK cool, thanks for the heads up. I wasn't planning on doing it unless I knew for sure it was allowed, but now I don't even need to bother asking the proctor.




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