Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

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Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:06 pm

All,

I am currently registered for the October LSAT. My PTs are consistently 153-155. I am aiming for a 165.
PT 56- LG- 3 LR- 12 LR- 9 RC- 14

My scores are ALWAYS similar to the above.

I am fixing to take a leave of absence for the next 24 days for LSAT. What do you all recommend regarding my problem? I have read the LG bible.

Is it possible to gain 10 points within this time frame?

Thanks!

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby whymeohgodno » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:07 pm

Possible. But it seems like you're doing not horribly on LG.

I would focus on improving LR. If you go through LR bible I'm sure you could improve a lot on your LR section.

RC...I have no advice. I haven't improved at all myself since I started.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:07 pm

What prep have you done in regards to the RC/LR sections?

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:16 pm

I have read the LR bible...

As far as LR goes- I ALWAYS miss 3-5 of numbers 20-25. I also fall short on time- always have to guess on 4 of them. I try to keep the most difficult (20-25) as the guessed answers......

Even when I try to do 20-25 after the time lapse, I usually miss most of them.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby whymeohgodno » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:18 pm

sjlawand88 wrote:I have read the LR bible...

As far as LR goes- I ALWAYS miss 3-5 of numbers 20-25. I also fall short on time- always have to guess on 4 of them. I try to keep the most difficult (20-25) as the guessed answers......


Try reading the question before you read the argument. It helped me on time. I know the LR bible tells you not to but for me personally it helped me out.

And it can't hurt to try.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:22 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
sjlawand88 wrote:I have read the LR bible...

As far as LR goes- I ALWAYS miss 3-5 of numbers 20-25. I also fall short on time- always have to guess on 4 of them. I try to keep the most difficult (20-25) as the guessed answers......


Try reading the question before you read the argument. It helped me on time. I know the LR bible tells you not to but for me personally it helped me out.

And it can't hurt to try.


Thanks- I have tried both methods. I currently read the question stem in prior to stimulus. Works better for me.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby whymeohgodno » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:24 pm

Have you tried trying to do the first 15 questions in 15 minutes?

I know a number of people who spend too much time on the easier question because they nitpick every choice.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:08 am

whymeohgodno wrote:Have you tried trying to do the first 15 questions in 15 minutes?

I know a number of people who spend too much time on the easier question because they nitpick every choice.


I am going to attempt that tomorrow. Thanks!

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby am060459 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:28 am

sjlawand88 wrote:All,

I am currently registered for the October LSAT. My PTs are consistently 153-155. I am aiming for a 165.
PT 56- LG- 3 LR- 12 LR- 9 RC- 14

My scores are ALWAYS similar to the above.

I am fixing to take a leave of absence for the next 24 days for LSAT. What do you all recommend regarding my problem? I have read the LG bible.

Is it possible to gain 10 points within this time frame?

Thanks!


possible yes. realistic no.

im retaking and looking for even a one point increase and im even worried about that (granted that you might not have reached your full potential and i have).

i would strongly suggest postponing to december. LR and RC are very hard to improve on. 24 days is not enough time to improve on.

given all this i still wish you best of luck :)

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby Adjudicator » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:33 am

Anything is possible. But certainly this is not likely. Many people report scoring lower than their PT averages, but you don't often hear of anyone scoring 10 points higher than what they were averaging in practice.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby KevinP » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:19 am

I'm going to assume you are taking your PTs timed. Since you are having trouble figuring out the correct answers, my recommendation would be to take PTs untimed until you scoring less than 3 wrong per section. Also, make sure you thoroughly work out any hard questions or questions you got wrong and make sure you completely understand them.

It is possible to improve by 10 points but not very realistic in such a time frame.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby DearCan » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:18 am

I haven't heard any mention of individual question diagnostic yet, so I'll offer that as my advice. That's honestly the best way to improve your LR and RC scores. After you take a PT, go through and look at the ones you got wrong, and group them into categories. Are you missing mostly "weaken" questions, parallel reasoning "questions", etc. Then look at the answer you chose and try to deduce why you chose that answer, then look at the correct answer and make sure you understand why that answer is the right one. It might at least help you avoid some incorrect answers that are alluring.

You also mentioned that you almost always guess on the last five. This is a mistake. There could very often be questions you're good at among those five. If you think you can do this without messing up your score sheet, try to take a practice test where you skip the question types you often miss (or the ones that take the most of your time) and come back to those at the end, so at least you're getting to the end of the section. Even if there are only two questions out of those five you're good at, hey that could be four points added to your raw score between the two LR sections.

Another thing I did that helped was to look at the questions I got right and group those. If you're getting most or all of a certain kind of question right you might possibly be able to identify those questions while you're taking a test and be able to save time on them, instead of second guessing yourself on ones you consistently get correct.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:02 pm

I just took PT 43 and scored 158.

LR- 7 LR- 7 LG- 4 RC- 12

Interestingly, I ALWAYS get the first 10-11 RC questions correctly.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:06 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:Have you tried trying to do the first 15 questions in 15 minutes?

I know a number of people who spend too much time on the easier question because they nitpick every choice.


I just attempted that strategy. It threw off my accuracy.

Strategy= not nitpicking every choice on the first 15 questions. Predict the answer.

My LR without this strategy: I only miss one question between 1-18
My LR with this strategy: My mistakes ended up being scattered.

I think timing is my problem. I am not able to finish fast enough. My LR without the strategy left me with getting 19-24 wrong due to time constraints.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby Anaconda » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:20 pm

sjlawand88 wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:Have you tried trying to do the first 15 questions in 15 minutes?

I know a number of people who spend too much time on the easier question because they nitpick every choice.


I just attempted that strategy. It threw off my accuracy.

Strategy= not nitpicking every choice on the first 15 questions. Predict the answer.

My LR without this strategy: I only miss one question between 1-18
My LR with this strategy: My mistakes ended up being scattered.

I think timing is my problem. I am not able to finish fast enough. My LR without the strategy left me with getting 19-24 wrong due to time constraints.



Still try to do 15 in 16-18 minutes - you need that extra time for the tough questions at the end. If you have even a trouble with a question, skip it and move on. I find skipping an easier question that has convoluted language or one that I don't understand very well is always much more manageable when I come back to it later on in the section.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:48 pm

Anaconda wrote:
sjlawand88 wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:Have you tried trying to do the first 15 questions in 15 minutes?

I know a number of people who spend too much time on the easier question because they nitpick every choice.


I just attempted that strategy. It threw off my accuracy.

Strategy= not nitpicking every choice on the first 15 questions. Predict the answer.

My LR without this strategy: I only miss one question between 1-18
My LR with this strategy: My mistakes ended up being scattered.

I think timing is my problem. I am not able to finish fast enough. My LR without the strategy left me with getting 19-24 wrong due to time constraints.



Still try to do 15 in 16-18 minutes - you need that extra time for the tough questions at the end. If you have even a trouble with a question, skip it and move on. I find skipping an easier question that has convoluted language or one that I don't understand very well is always much more manageable when I come back to it later on in the section.



I just went over the LR I got wrong. All the errors I made were careless- I expect due to anxiety and speed. As I went over the wrong LR problems UNTIMED, I was easily able to solve each one correctly.

I think this 15 in 15 minutes will only decrease accuracy.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby 3|ink » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:46 pm

It's highly unlikely, but you might as well take it if you're school will accept that range. They'll probably accept 2 scores.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:31 pm

Just took a newer PT- PT 58. I scored 153....
LR- 10 RC-15 LG-7 LR- 7

One thing I noticed...
The first LR section, I was extremely motivated and focused (at least thats what I felt) and missed 10.
During the second LR section, I was not focused, worked slowly and ended up missing only 7......

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby sjlawand88 » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:49 pm

Went over that PT I just took....

Of course, careless mistakes. I was easily able to identify the correct answer. I think the pressure caused by the time constraints is affecting my anxiety. In result, decrease of accuracy.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby waxecstatic » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:45 pm

am060459 wrote:
sjlawand88 wrote:All,

I am currently registered for the October LSAT. My PTs are consistently 153-155. I am aiming for a 165.
PT 56- LG- 3 LR- 12 LR- 9 RC- 14

My scores are ALWAYS similar to the above.

I am fixing to take a leave of absence for the next 24 days for LSAT. What do you all recommend regarding my problem? I have read the LG bible.

Is it possible to gain 10 points within this time frame?

Thanks!


possible yes. realistic no.

im retaking and looking for even a one point increase and im even worried about that (granted that you might not have reached your full potential and i have).

i would strongly suggest postponing to december. LR and RC are very hard to improve on. 24 days is not enough time to improve on.

given all this i still wish you best of luck :)


Postponing to December is not a good idea if you want to apply for this admissions cycle.

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby am060459 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:53 pm

waxecstatic wrote:Postponing to December is not a good idea if you want to apply for this admissions cycle.


in this case its the best idea. scoring in the low to mid 150s is not a score you want to apply with.

scoring higher > applying early

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Re: Stuck on 153-155. LSAT in 24 days.... Possibility for 10pt?

Postby dakatz » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:56 pm

Only postpone until December if you know you will improve by at least a few points. If you only go up a point or 2, it is better to just apply now. But if you truly feel like the extra time will get you 3 or more points (which it certainly should given your current range), I'd wait. And no, you will not see a 10 point gain in 24 days. Some people work for months for that type of gain, and while these things click faster for some people than others, I've never heard of someone improving that much that quickly.




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