How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby paratactical » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:38 pm

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby estevanrey » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:45 pm

Well thats understandable, just make the most of it this time around, and do as many practice tests as possible. A 15 point leap is possible if you were distracted for the first test so just practice as much as possible before the next test and cancel your score if you don't feel good about it.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:49 pm

estevanrey wrote:Well thats understandable, just make the most of it this time around, and do as many practice tests as possible. A 15 point leap is possible if you were distracted for the first test so just practice as much as possible before the next test and cancel your score if you don't feel good about it.


So if you look at the stats for 2007-2008 of people who scored 145 and retook it, about 60% of them end up scoring in the 140-149 range again, 30% of them in the 150-159 range, and 0.12% of them made it into the 160-169 range. (0.12% was 2 people). So there's a possibility.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby Thirteen » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:49 pm

paratactical wrote:
luckycurl84 wrote:Meme anyone??

I thought I'd find some in here but was sadly, disappointed. :(


Maybe you should learn to make them yourself.


Or maybe, lucky, you shouldn't be a dick and offer advice to the OP.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby Oblivion_08 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:52 pm

Personally, I know someone who got a 144, then 157, then 165. It's not impossible, but like I said, I tokok it when I shouldn't have taken it, in the midst of all my issues, I still took the damn test.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby Hey-O » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:53 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
estevanrey wrote:Well thats understandable, just make the most of it this time around, and do as many practice tests as possible. A 15 point leap is possible if you were distracted for the first test so just practice as much as possible before the next test and cancel your score if you don't feel good about it.


So if you look at the stats for 2007-2008 of people who scored 145 and retook it, about 60% of them end up scoring in the 140-149 range again, 30% of them in the 150-159 range, and 0.12% of them made it into the 160-169 range. (0.12% was 2 people). So there's a possibility.


Wow! Where did you get these stats? That puts a whole different light on things.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby LSAT Blog » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:57 pm

Hey-O wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
estevanrey wrote:Well thats understandable, just make the most of it this time around, and do as many practice tests as possible. A 15 point leap is possible if you were distracted for the first test so just practice as much as possible before the next test and cancel your score if you don't feel good about it.


So if you look at the stats for 2007-2008 of people who scored 145 and retook it, about 60% of them end up scoring in the 140-149 range again, 30% of them in the 150-159 range, and 0.12% of them made it into the 160-169 range. (0.12% was 2 people). So there's a possibility.


Wow! Where did you get these stats? That puts a whole different light on things.


Pretty interesting stuff: http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/RepeaterData.pdf

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby estevanrey » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:00 pm

that might be true but what op is trying to say is that he/she wasn't ready for the test and was in no condition to take and the average improvement on a retake would not apply to op.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby AdamatUCF » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:06 pm

estevanrey wrote:that might be true but what op is trying to say is that he/she wasn't ready for the test and was in no condition to take and the average improvement on a retake would not apply to op.


Sounds to me like he spent 30 hours in a prep-course getting ready (plus preparation outside of his classes, since he mentioned asking for his money back) , so I don't really see how he'd be a special case that statistics don't apply to.

Maybe if he'd walked in and taken the LSAT cold, having not studied, perhaps.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby cubswin » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:20 pm

LSAT Blog wrote:
Pretty interesting stuff: http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/RepeaterData.pdf


Wow, only one person in this data set jumped above a 170 from my pre-prepping LSAT score. This makes me feel pretty exceptional.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:27 pm

LSAT Blog wrote:
Hey-O wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:


So if you look at the stats for 2007-2008 of people who scored 145 and retook it, about 60% of them end up scoring in the 140-149 range again, 30% of them in the 150-159 range, and 0.12% of them made it into the 160-169 range. (0.12% was 2 people). So there's a possibility.


Wow! Where did you get these stats? That puts a whole different light on things.


Pretty interesting stuff: http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/RepeaterData.pdf[/quote]

How'd you get the link? When I tried it just kept giving me the "Private User" link.

And yeah, this pdf is the 2008-2009 version, where the numbers changed to : 64% score into the 140-149 range, 32% into the 150-159 range, 0.49%(10 people) into the 160-169 range, and again 0% in the 170-180 range.

I mean there's a possibility (0.49%!) that the OP can do it, and one certainly doesn't want to discourage the <1% of people who actually manage that increase. I just feel that people like to throw around the idea that the majority of people who prep can manage huge increases when it's actually fairly rare.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby estevanrey » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:29 pm

Are you reading the posts? The op did not study or do the work for the thirty hour course amounting to something close to taking the test cold. Op at the very least can improve on the practice test scores of mid 150s and score a 160. The question is not if op can scor in the 170s.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby JennBNYC » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:29 pm

I got a 149 in 9/2009, took a PowerScore 2 month course while working FT and just got a 162 in 6/2010. Not stellar by TLS standards, lol, but there's hope.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:32 pm

JennBNYC wrote:I got a 149 in 9/2009, took a PowerScore 2 month course while working FT and just got a 162 in 6/2010. Not stellar by TLS standards, lol, but there's hope.


Well, only 3% of people in 08-09 who scored 149 and retook managed that, so that's actually pretty stellar.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby AdamatUCF » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:35 pm

estevanrey wrote:Are you reading the posts? The op did not study or do the work for the thirty hour course amounting to something close to taking the test cold. Op at the very least can improve on the practice test scores of mid 150s and score a 160. The question is not if op can scor in the 170s.



I've read most of his replies. His initial claim was that he took a bad course (which is entirely possible, since I didn't take Kaplan I can't comment on its quality), and then he said he "wasn't in the zone". He said in the past page or two that he's submitted the paperwork to get a refund, and (having looked into Kaplan) I can tell you Kaplan's money-back guarantee requires that you prove you did your homework and took the required practice exams.

So, yeah, I don't really think he's a statistical anomaly. While it's possible he'll improve another 10 points, it's not probable.

Edit: I just saw where he said "Honestly, this result is my fault..not Kaplan's. I didn't put enough time into it. There were some problems I was having the last month into the test, and I never really put too much effort into studying." , so I see what you're referencing, but I don't think bad study habits and lack of preparation are anywhere near atypical enough to assume that his odds of significant improvement are greater than average.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby romothesavior » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:49 pm

Thirteen wrote:Or maybe, lucky, you shouldn't be a dick and offer advice to the OP.


This.

Do I think OP should avoid law school? Yes. Do I think 145 is an atrocious score? Yes.

But does he deserve ridicule, scorn, and harassment because of his score? No. He has been respectful to people in here and it isn't like he is saying, "I'm going to Cooley and I'm gonna beat all of you in court!" If he was acting like a jackass, I'd say tear him apart from limb to limb, but he's not.

Give the man a fucking break, people.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby sluguy14 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:51 pm

AdamatUCF wrote:
estevanrey wrote:Are you reading the posts? The op did not study or do the work for the thirty hour course amounting to something close to taking the test cold. Op at the very least can improve on the practice test scores of mid 150s and score a 160. The question is not if op can scor in the 170s.



I've read most of his replies. His initial claim was that he took a bad course (which is entirely possible, since I didn't take Kaplan I can't comment on its quality), and then he said he "wasn't in the zone". He said in the past page or two that he's submitted the paperwork to get a refund, and (having looked into Kaplan) I can tell you Kaplan's money-back guarantee requires that you prove you did your homework and took the required practice exams.

So, yeah, I don't really think he's a statistical anomaly. While it's possible he'll improve another 10 points, it's not probable.

Edit: I just saw where he said "Honestly, this result is my fault..not Kaplan's. I didn't put enough time into it. There were some problems I was having the last month into the test, and I never really put too much effort into studying." , so I see what you're referencing, but I don't think bad study habits and lack of preparation are anywhere near atypical enough to assume that his odds of significant improvement are greater than average.


Yup. You have to have attended all classes, done all required homework, and completed all in-class tests to be eligible for the money-back guarantee. Of course, this isn't counting all of the recommended homework and prep work that Kaplan makes available to all students. So there was at least a decent amount of study that went into that 145.

Is it possible that the OP will make a huge jump on his next score? Sure. Is it likely? No.

But then, the LSAT is incredibly learnable. The OP knows what he has to do; his score is entirely in his hands. So lets see what he's made of.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby Veyron » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:00 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Thirteen wrote:Or maybe, lucky, you shouldn't be a dick and offer advice to the OP.


This.

Do I think OP should avoid law school? Yes. Do I think 145 is an atrocious score? Yes.

But does he deserve ridicule, scorn, and harassment because of his score? No. He has been respectful to people in here and it isn't like he is saying, "I'm going to Cooley and I'm gonna beat all of you in court!" If he was acting like a jackass, I'd say tear him apart from limb to limb, but he's not.

Give the man a fucking break, people.


I’ve tried to edit out my harsher comments. However, OP, you need to understand our frustration. People get angry because the law is one of the few beacons of meritocracy remaining in the world. Intelligence + hard work = High GPA and LSAT = School = Job Prospects. In many ways, the legal profession rebels against a society that says that everyone is special regardless of ability or work ethic. To then have someone have the gall to presume that his 145 means that he can be a successful lawyer undermines what the legal community believes in. Would you consent to be operated by a doctor with an MCAT score in the 35%. Of course you would not and medical schools see to it that such a person is never in a position to operate because they would never be admitted in the first place. Why then is it reasonable to give the same certification to someone with a 145 as it is to someone with a decent score when it is possible that a client will some day rely on that attorney to defend their property, freedom, or very life. OP, don’t expect us to coddle you. Right now you don’t have the right stuff. If you want the respect of lawyers, you need to put aside your childish ways, dedicate yourself to studying for the LSAT for months on end like its your fucking job, retake the test and earn it.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby Oblivion_08 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:37 pm

Honestly...I wish I never said anything to you guys. I was hitting in the mid to high 150's on my PT's and I got a 145..I am capable of a higher score obviously. Yes I didn't put in enough work, would you be able to while having problems with your health, having your family move into your house 2 weeks before studying and sharing a room with a 17 year old, and losing your grandmother? It's hard man, i'm 20 years old I am not perfect, and none of you people on TLS are either. We all had our bad days, this was my bad day..luckily for me I have 2 more chances. Throw the statistics out of my fucking face. There was a 0 percent chance a black man would be president up until Obama. There was a 5 percent chance that the one girl from my school was going to survive her leukemia and she did, you know where I am going with this. Throw your stupid statistics and chances out of the window...everyone is different. You are becoming lawyers, not statisticians..let me do me, thank you for all the advice, and hopefully this time around I will be fine. I did a lot of the coursework, but not enough. I got half way through the kaplan course books, and the homework they offer is very little. My teacher skipped in class quizzes and lectures sometimes, that's what bugged me about Kaplan. She relied on the back of the book more than she did with her brain. Now enough with the belittling, and enough with you guys telling me law school is not for me. If I don't do well on my next 2 tries, then it is not for me and I will pursue human factors psychology. Let me do me, and you guys do you. I ordered the power score books, and starting next week I will begin studying..my testmasters class begins in august, and then I will see where I am going to be once I teach myself more. I am turning 21 on July 13, so maybe the happiness I get from reaching 21 will make me happy and put me back in the zone.

Thank you to all the haters and appreciators. One Love.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby Oblivion_08 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:42 pm

Veyron wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
Thirteen wrote:Or maybe, lucky, you shouldn't be a dick and offer advice to the OP.


This.

Do I think OP should avoid law school? Yes. Do I think 145 is an atrocious score? Yes.

But does he deserve ridicule, scorn, and harassment because of his score? No. He has been respectful to people in here and it isn't like he is saying, "I'm going to Cooley and I'm gonna beat all of you in court!" If he was acting like a jackass, I'd say tear him apart from limb to limb, but he's not.

Give the man a fucking break, people.


I’ve tried to edit out my harsher comments. However, OP, you need to understand our frustration. People get angry because the law is one of the few beacons of meritocracy remaining in the world. Intelligence + hard work = High GPA and LSAT = School = Job Prospects. In many ways, the legal profession rebels against a society that says that everyone is special regardless of ability or work ethic. To then have someone have the gall to presume that his 145 means that he can be a successful lawyer undermines what the legal community believes in. Would you consent to be operated by a doctor with an MCAT score in the 35%. Of course you would not and medical schools see to it that such a person is never in a position to operate because they would never be admitted in the first place. Why then is it reasonable to give the same certification to someone with a 145 as it is to someone with a decent score when it is possible that a client will some day rely on that attorney to defend their property, freedom, or very life. OP, don’t expect us to coddle you. Right now you don’t have the right stuff. If you want the respect of lawyers, you need to put aside your childish ways, dedicate yourself to studying for the LSAT for months on end like its your fucking job, retake the test and earn it.



I NEVER said that a 145 is a good score. I called myself a moron, and other harsh things when I got this score. I will never apply to a school with a 145. I am trying to earn it..I know where I can get to..and I will get there. I'm sorry you are so butt hurt by my score..stay tuned and you will know my October score..until then enough.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby sumus romani » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:44 pm

cubswin wrote:
LSAT Blog wrote:
Pretty interesting stuff: http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/RepeaterData.pdf


Wow, only one person in this data set jumped above a 170 from my pre-prepping LSAT score. This makes me feel pretty exceptional.



It would have been better never to have entered the Special Olympics. :lol:

Just giving you a hard time! Well done.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby let/them/eat/cake » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:07 pm

Hey-O wrote:Don't take the jerks personally. I don't know why, but there are a lot of smart people on this site who have lots of posts and they get their kicks by being cruel to complete strangers who are new to the site. My first post I was called a c*** for no reason.
I like your post. Your just saying that you're motivated by a 145 to score in the 160s. It is definitely possible. In between shitting on you people have offered great advice. Read the LG and LR bibles. Use Pithypikes guide. Do Kaplan if you want, but don't count on the class to do all the work for you. Study on your own as well. Good luck.


i laughed pretty GD hard when i read this just now. thx for that.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby bankruptedcasino » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:12 pm

LSAT Blog wrote:
Pretty interesting stuff: http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/RepeaterData.pdf


Did anyone else notice that 3 people retook a previous 180??

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby Lawquacious » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:12 pm

LSAT Blog wrote:
Hey-O wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
estevanrey wrote:Well thats understandable, just make the most of it this time around, and do as many practice tests as possible. A 15 point leap is possible if you were distracted for the first test so just practice as much as possible before the next test and cancel your score if you don't feel good about it.


So if you look at the stats for 2007-2008 of people who scored 145 and retook it, about 60% of them end up scoring in the 140-149 range again, 30% of them in the 150-159 range, and 0.12% of them made it into the 160-169 range. (0.12% was 2 people). So there's a possibility.


Wow! Where did you get these stats? That puts a whole different light on things.


Pretty interesting stuff: http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/RepeaterData.pdf




Wow. There was a 140 scorer who went to 170-180 range on next test (must have taken it the first time completely cold I'm thinking), and perhaps even more amazing in my mind is that both the 178 (1) and 179 (1) that retook on this chart scored in 160s range when they took it the next time.

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Re: How getting a 145 on my LSAT is going to change my life.

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:15 pm

Oblivion_08 wrote:Honestly...I wish I never said anything to you guys. I was hitting in the mid to high 150's on my PT's and I got a 145..I am capable of a higher score obviously. Yes I didn't put in enough work, would you be able to while having problems with your health, having your family move into your house 2 weeks before studying and sharing a room with a 17 year old, and losing your grandmother? It's hard man, i'm 20 years old I am not perfect, and none of you people on TLS are either. We all had our bad days, this was my bad day..luckily for me I have 2 more chances. Throw the statistics out of my fucking face. There was a 0 percent chance a black man would be president up until Obama. There was a 5 percent chance that the one girl from my school was going to survive her leukemia and she did, you know where I am going with this. Throw your stupid statistics and chances out of the window...everyone is different. You are becoming lawyers, not statisticians..let me do me, thank you for all the advice, and hopefully this time around I will be fine. I did a lot of the coursework, but not enough. I got half way through the kaplan course books, and the homework they offer is very little. My teacher skipped in class quizzes and lectures sometimes, that's what bugged me about Kaplan. She relied on the back of the book more than she did with her brain. Now enough with the belittling, and enough with you guys telling me law school is not for me. If I don't do well on my next 2 tries, then it is not for me and I will pursue human factors psychology. Let me do me, and you guys do you. I ordered the power score books, and starting next week I will begin studying..my testmasters class begins in august, and then I will see where I am going to be once I teach myself more. I am turning 21 on July 13, so maybe the happiness I get from reaching 21 will make me happy and put me back in the zone.

Thank you to all the haters and appreciators. One Love.


Lol, the stats were never directed at you, just the general discussion since there was quibbling over how difficult it was in general. I'd like to think that lawyers would be good with data, though, and conversations on the forum often veer off track from what the original poster was talking about. Keep in mind that some of this thread wasn't aimed at you.
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