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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:49 am
by skip james
Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)

Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though

1st take: 172

Average for retake 177

2nd take: 177

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:05 am
by alex_cryp
1) What was your score on your initial diagnostic?
149

2) What were you getting on preptests?
Average 162-not including the very first diagnostic

3) What did you score on the June (or any previous LSAT)?
165 (higher end of my pt range)

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:28 am
by chicagodude
Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)

Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though

1st take: 172

Average for retake 177

2nd take: 177


skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:04 am
by Nulli Secundus
Initial Diag: 178
Oct LSAT: 170

:cry: :cry:

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:44 pm
by t-ender
Diagnostic: 159
PT: Mid-High 170s
October LSAT: 172

Slightly disappointed but it got me into my top choice school with a below 25% GPA so I can't complain.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:53 pm
by 2011Law
t-ender wrote:Diagnostic: 159
PT: Mid-High 170s
October LSAT: 172

Slightly disappointed but it got me into my top choice school with a below 25% GPA so I can't complain.


Mind if I ask roughly what top school(s) you got into?

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:25 pm
by t-ender
2011Law wrote:
t-ender wrote:Diagnostic: 159
PT: Mid-High 170s
October LSAT: 172

Slightly disappointed but it got me into my top choice school with a below 25% GPA so I can't complain.


Mind if I ask roughly what top school(s) you got into?



MVP range

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:28 pm
by coug11
Diagnostic: 155
Practice Tests: 164 (high 166)
October LSAT: 170

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:46 am
by skip james
chicagodude wrote:
Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)

Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though

1st take: 172

Average for retake 177

2nd take: 177


skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?


I studied for about three to four months about 40-50 hours a week (that's not really including breaks, and I may possibly be understating the extend of hours I actually put in.

It wasn't really easy, I can say that. I think I spent about 40-50 hour weeks doing games (probably did each game about 3 times each, was pretty strict about how I was approaching redoes, i.e. not giving myself inferences and forcing myself to to find viable reasons for eliminating answer choices and stuff), then I spent pretty much the rest of the time doing LR training, and intermittently RC (which I hate doing even to this day). I did probably 30ish untimed tests, which I timed anyway (just to get a guage of how long it took, and to see if, even though I may not have increased in accuracy, I had made some sort of gain in time. Then when I realized I was going to run out of tests, I started cracking down on tests that I had taken and started dissecting the crap out of them, writing out premises and conclusions and trying to understand how to prephrase the basic idea or ideas that would make the argument work (i.e. sufficient assumptions, or as I like to call them, suppressed premises). That last part was the hardest but when I had it down, it got me to the point where I missed literally 0 flaws, 0 strengthens, 0 weakens, 0 sufficient assumptions (dur), and 0 necessary assumptions. I took my remaining 30 and starting semi-timing and transitioning into full-blown 35 minute sections. I think I was comfortably in the 32 minute range-ish for most sections for all of them (except rc where I'd blow over every once in a while) for my last 10-ish tests (except maybe one of em I think). It was a LOT of work. But it payed off, so I consider it as a worthwhile investment of my time.

Personally, I think most people could put in the time that I did and most could make the gains that I did, but also that most people just really don't care enough to really put in the time and energy I put in to, quite literally, just 'kill' the test. I think this 'I'm gonna f'ing kill this test' mentality goes a long way in motivating a person to study as much and learn as much as they can to do to frickin nail the test.

'a pupil who is never pushed to do more than he can, will never do all that he can'

- mill

think like a 180, train like a 180, and study like a 180, and who knows what you could do.. probably a 180.

*oh and for my second take, I redid about 10-ish tests (time was... once again an issue, but I understood the concepts pretty well still) and 2 new tests (which I hit 176 and 178 respectively) and hit 177 on the real deal. Much less prep, much more relaxed, and just not really giving a f'ing shit about my results helped me out tremendously in preforming much better than I anticipated.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:51 am
by swc65
Diag 168
PT 174 avg
LSAT 178 (game day adrenalin)

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:04 am
by downing
inspiring thread!

Diag: 154

June LSAT: 159

Oct LSAT: 165

I'm seriously thinking of taking it again in February, hoping to score in the low 170s with insane amounts of re-re-training.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:15 pm
by Blindc1rca
Initial Diagnostic: 165

PT Average: 170

--I did my PTs in order, although I did NOT do every single one. Something clicked around PT35 and I stayed relatively consistently above 170 after that.
PT45-55 Average: 175.6 (172-179)
PT 56-60 Average: 170...
...kind of a disappointing drop leading up to the test.

Oct 2010: 170

45-55 really got my hopes up. Boo hoo. Whatever though I'm not retaking. LSAT studying is too damn stressful to want to repeat. I feel for you guys.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:31 am
by risktaker
Damn all you high diag ppl! Now my score makes more sense.

Diag: 140
PT avg: 162
Actual: 157

I am pretty sure I could have scored a 160 but nerves got me every time. Guess I should be happy with my 17 pt improvement. This test is definitely the hardest fuckin test I have ever taken. Destroyed the SAT's without taking prep course but sucked at the LSAT. Once I go to law school, I will figure out if LSAT is in fact a good predictor of law school success.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:51 am
by Lasker
Diag: 180

PT avg: 178.7, median 179

Feb. Test: 178

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:54 am
by risktaker
Lasker wrote:Diag: 180

PT avg: 178.7, median 179

Feb. Test: 178


That is freaking insane. You must be a genius. I honestly think the LSAT would correlate pretty well with an IQ test.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:57 am
by rman1201
Anaconda wrote:1) What was your score on your initial diagnostic? 166

2) What were you getting on preptests? 173-175

3) What did you score on the June (or any previous LSAT)? 167

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:48 am
by TheFutureLawyer
147
168
168

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:46 am
by iiibbystar
skip james wrote:
chicagodude wrote:
Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)

Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though

1st take: 172

Average for retake 177

2nd take: 177


skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?


I studied for about three to four months about 40-50 hours a week (that's not really including breaks, and I may possibly be understating the extend of hours I actually put in.

It wasn't really easy, I can say that. I think I spent about 40-50 hour weeks doing games (probably did each game about 3 times each, was pretty strict about how I was approaching redoes, i.e. not giving myself inferences and forcing myself to to find viable reasons for eliminating answer choices and stuff), then I spent pretty much the rest of the time doing LR training, and intermittently RC (which I hate doing even to this day). I did probably 30ish untimed tests, which I timed anyway (just to get a guage of how long it took, and to see if, even though I may not have increased in accuracy, I had made some sort of gain in time. Then when I realized I was going to run out of tests, I started cracking down on tests that I had taken and started dissecting the crap out of them, writing out premises and conclusions and trying to understand how to prephrase the basic idea or ideas that would make the argument work (i.e. sufficient assumptions, or as I like to call them, suppressed premises). That last part was the hardest but when I had it down, it got me to the point where I missed literally 0 flaws, 0 strengthens, 0 weakens, 0 sufficient assumptions (dur), and 0 necessary assumptions. I took my remaining 30 and starting semi-timing and transitioning into full-blown 35 minute sections. I think I was comfortably in the 32 minute range-ish for most sections for all of them (except rc where I'd blow over every once in a while) for my last 10-ish tests (except maybe one of em I think). It was a LOT of work. But it payed off, so I consider it as a worthwhile investment of my time.

Personally, I think most people could put in the time that I did and most could make the gains that I did, but also that most people just really don't care enough to really put in the time and energy I put in to, quite literally, just 'kill' the test. I think this 'I'm gonna f'ing kill this test' mentality goes a long way in motivating a person to study as much and learn as much as they can to do to frickin nail the test.

'a pupil who is never pushed to do more than he can, will never do all that he can'

- mill

think like a 180, train like a 180, and study like a 180, and who knows what you could do.. probably a 180.

*oh and for my second take, I redid about 10-ish tests (time was... once again an issue, but I understood the concepts pretty well still) and 2 new tests (which I hit 176 and 178 respectively) and hit 177 on the real deal. Much less prep, much more relaxed, and just not really giving a f'ing shit about my results helped me out tremendously in preforming much better than I anticipated.


Thank you for taking the time to post this. :) It will help me tremendously in how I plan on studying for the LSAT.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:36 pm
by die Zauberflote
1) 161

2) Averaged 178 on last 15 PTs

3) 171 last October (emergency bathroom break during scored section)

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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:12 pm
by Funkycrime
skip james wrote:
chicagodude wrote:
Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)

Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though

1st take: 172

Average for retake 177

2nd take: 177


skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?


think like a 180, train like a 180, and study like a 180, and who knows what you could do.. probably a 180.

*oh and for my second take, I redid about 10-ish tests (time was... once again an issue, but I understood the concepts pretty well still) and 2 new tests (which I hit 176 and 178 respectively) and hit 177 on the real deal. Much less prep, much more relaxed, and just not really giving a f'ing shit about my results helped me out tremendously in preforming much better than I anticipated.
Excellent post and highly appreciated. You seem to have the attitude of a wrestler or a combat athlete (I know many and firmly believe it is the best mindset for getting things done).

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:17 pm
by chem
Diagnostic: 169

PT 175

Real Score 171

Prep Powerscore bibles and 10 practice tests

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:05 am
by moxie101
thegrayman wrote:diag: 147
PT's: 167-175
October: 168

Lower end of where I was at but I'll take it, I came a long way from my cold diag


Hey bro, I saw your post and I must say your improvement from your diagnostic to your official score is an inspiration me. Im a also a URM male and Im currently testing in the low 150s-155. How did you improve? Can you give me any tips, suggestions and advice to make noticeably gains in my score.
Thanks

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:43 pm
by JLach
This thread really motivated me in my studies so I felt compelled to share.

1. My initial diagnostic was a pathetic 138

2. After a few months of intense daily studying my prep tests were in the 157-161 range

3. I got a 160 on the actual LSAT :D

You can do anything you set your mind to. Just remember, a vision without action is merely a dream. Best of luck.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:06 pm
by lawjag2015
Diagnostic (Untimed): 164, the next day 168
PT average before June: 169
June Score: 163
PT average before September: 173
September Score: 160

Ashamed. Taking again in December.

Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:13 am
by stoopkid13
Diagnostic: 161
PTs: 171
Actual (Sep 14): 172