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Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:57 am
by NJcollegestudent
I was looking through the dates that you can register for the test and the 2011 test had nondisclosed next to it. What exactly does this mean? Does it mean the scores are not reported?

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:01 am
by thecilent
It just means that the actual test questions don't get released. Obvi you still get scores

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:02 am
by Cleareyes
I believe it means that the test itself is not disclosed (I.E. you won't be able to download a copy from the website and they will not be releasing it as a preptest.) February tests are not disclosed, and I think non-standard tests (Tests taken on Sundays or in foreign countries) aren't either.

The reason for this seems to be so LSAC can reuse sections and questions from these tests in future LSATs. LSAC obviously doesn't want people to be taking sections they have already taken in a preptest during a real LSAT.

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:04 am
by jeremydc
Does this make the Feb tests harder than other tests?

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:08 am
by thecilent
jeremydc wrote:Does this make the Feb tests harder than other tests?


Not at all.

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:09 am
by Cleareyes
jeremydc wrote:Does this make the Feb tests harder than other tests?


Yes!

Wait.

What?

No. Why would it?

All the tests are curved and carefully calibrated by statisticians. There may be mild fluctuations in 'difficulty' from one to another (As in a very slightly higher percentage of students may get higher scores) but these fluctuations are very small and unintentional. The only reason a given test date may be 'harder' or 'easier' for a given person is personal preference and ability.

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:13 am
by mst
Technically speaking, I think it's been discovered June and December scores are slightly above average while Feb and September are slightly below. Very small amounts though.

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:42 am
by WestOfTheRest
mst wrote:Technically speaking, I think it's been discovered June and December scores are slightly above average while Feb and September are slightly below. Very small amounts though.


June test takers are the keeners, and December has the loosest curve on average. Don't take in February, you want to take a disclosed test so you can see how you did section by section.

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:15 am
by thecilent
CastleRock wrote:
mst wrote:Technically speaking, I think it's been discovered June and December scores are slightly above average while Feb and September are slightly below. Very small amounts though.


June test takers are the keeners, and December has the loosest curve on average. Don't take in February, you want to take a disclosed test so you can see how you did section by section.


You can't base on when you take the test on any of this. Take the test after you have the time to study for a few months and feel you're at your peak. That's it

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:38 pm
by AmbitiousPanda
what is a "keener?"

Re: Question about a lsac term

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:08 pm
by Bildungsroman
mst wrote:Technically speaking, I think it's been discovered June and December scores are slightly above average while Feb and September are slightly below. Very small amounts though.


The most recent available data that I could find (LinkRemoved) indicate only a .01 difference in the average scaled score of June and October administrations, with the December score about 1.5 points lower and the February score another 2.5 lower than that. I would attribute this not to the February test being more difficult, but to a self-selecting sample taking the December and February tests. December and February seem to be mostly people retaking the LSAT who were dissatisfied with their earlier score(s), which would suggest that they are predominantly the lower scorers in the June and October administrations, with February also playing host to the December lower scorers.