## Mulch Game

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Philipsssssss

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### Mulch Game

So yesturday i set at home, drew out the game, made the inferences in 3 minutes. (Basic setup with all possibilities).

What the heck. At the test center i lost my mind over it. At home i made all inferences, because there was only 2 conditions in the game.

Ragged

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### Re: Mulch Game

I didn't really make an inference during the test. But instead just reasoned it out at each question. Seemed to go ok.

But yea I had a similar experience with interns.

3|ink

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Same here. I took each question individually. By the time I reached the 5th question, I realized that I had mastered the possibilities.

zworykin

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I saw how limited the possibilities were right off the bat and drew out all the possible scenarios. Not my normal approach, but it worked well.

Philipsssssss

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^ Good for you guys.

I skipped to the intern's, drew out all the possibilities...then realized half way down i am having too many 'right answers', 'realized' i did something wrong, redrew the possibilities, went back to the questions, still saw something is not right...law and behold...i misread a F&^%\$ rule about the 2 variables (G,L). Ok...5 min called... my brain leaked into my underwear...

mulch = all guess (but one)
interns = all guess

and from this point....my test went on just 'wonderful'...

Philipsssssss

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### Re: Mulch Game

If you had my experience, would you cancel the score?

(even if it will be 2nd cancellation)....

angiej

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zworykin wrote:I saw how limited the possibilities were right off the bat and drew out all the possible scenarios. Not my normal approach, but it worked well.

Same here - I thought for sure it was my experimental section (had it second) because it just seemed too easy. And I'm only a 150's pt scorer.

zworykin

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Yeah, there was a lot of that going on in my test center. Lots of angry/sad people at the break, no doubt. Sorry to hear it didn't go well for you

Ragged

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Philipsssssss wrote:^ Good for you guys.

I skipped to the intern's, drew out all the possibilities...then realized half way down i am having too many 'right answers', 'realized' i did something wrong, redrew the possibilities, went back to the questions, still saw something is not right...law and behold...i misread a F&^%\$ rule about the 2 variables (G,L). Ok...5 min called... my brain leaked into my underwear...

mulch = all guess (but one)
interns = all guess

and from this point....my test went on just 'wonderful'...

I'm sorry to hear that man. You'd be better off sticking with the order they gave you.

Philipsssssss wrote:If you had my experience, would you cancel the score?

(even if it will be 2nd cancellation)....

What score are you going for? If you are trying for 170+ definatly cancel.

Pahnda

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I'm so happy I come from an electrical engineering background with Japanese language thrown in... I kept picturing square wave edges like intonation markings for the cleaning

Ragged

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Pahnda wrote:I'm so happy I come from an electrical engineering background with Japanese language thrown in... I kept picturing square wave edges like intonation markings for the cleaning

thats an uber-nerb thing to say

itseightfortyfive

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same thing with interns. woke up this morning with the deduction SO clear. just didnt get it on the test.

Pahnda

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Ragged wrote:
Pahnda wrote:I'm so happy I come from an electrical engineering background with Japanese language thrown in... I kept picturing square wave edges like intonation markings for the cleaning

thats an uber-nerb thing to say

Why thank you!

But when you think of that game, it was VERY restrictive to where you could mulch your three times... Like low dozens of possibilities restrictive, not low single digits.

Philipsssssss

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Ragged wrote:
Philipsssssss wrote:^ Good for you guys.

I skipped to the intern's, drew out all the possibilities...then realized half way down i am having too many 'right answers', 'realized' i did something wrong, redrew the possibilities, went back to the questions, still saw something is not right...law and behold...i misread a F&^%\$ rule about the 2 variables (G,L). Ok...5 min called... my brain leaked into my underwear...

mulch = all guess (but one)
interns = all guess

and from this point....my test went on just 'wonderful'...

I'm sorry to hear that man. You'd be better off sticking with the order they gave you.

Philipsssssss wrote:If you had my experience, would you cancel the score?

(even if it will be 2nd cancellation)....

What score are you going for? If you are trying for 170+ definatly cancel.

I am going for high 160's. I want to be realistic, hit as high as i can.

But low 150?

Is a low 150 worse then having 2 cancelations and then a high score?

I know this is not my level. I just gave up. Plus i was sick/tried to keep coughing to myself, really hard to do.

AVBucks4239

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angiej wrote:
zworykin wrote:I saw how limited the possibilities were right off the bat and drew out all the possible scenarios. Not my normal approach, but it worked well.

Same here - I thought for sure it was my experimental section (had it second) because it just seemed too easy. And I'm only a 150's pt scorer.

You and I had the exact same outlook after the test. I called my friend who took it in Youngstown, and he ended up having the same setup as me (LG-LR-LG-LR-RC). This was his first time taking it, and he asked, "How do you know which one was experimental?" I blatantly told him that there was no way the second one was the real thing, because it was just too easy.

And yes, like you, I usually PT in the high 150's.

zworykin

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Yes, a low 150 is worse than 2 cancellations and a high score.

Cancel, 153, 167--this looks like someone who theoretically should land around 160 most of the time, unless you can write a very solid and convincing addendum.

Cancel, Cancel, 167--this looks like someone who scored a 167. Schools have no idea why you cancelled--you may have gotten ill during the test, or had a bad proctor that threw you off your game, or any of countless other possibilities.

Yes, two cancels looks worse than one cancel--if you don't consider the other scores. But a second cancel on the list compared to a low 150s score, when you're shooting for high 160s? No contest.

d34d9823

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Pahnda wrote:
Ragged wrote:
Pahnda wrote:I'm so happy I come from an electrical engineering background with Japanese language thrown in... I kept picturing square wave edges like intonation markings for the cleaning

thats an uber-nerb thing to say

Why thank you!

But when you think of that game, it was VERY restrictive to where you could mulch your three times... Like low dozens of possibilities restrictive, not low single digits.

Pretty sure it was in the single digits.

Pahnda

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d34dluk3 wrote:
Pahnda wrote:
Ragged wrote:
Pahnda wrote:I'm so happy I come from an electrical engineering background with Japanese language thrown in... I kept picturing square wave edges like intonation markings for the cleaning

thats an uber-nerb thing to say

Why thank you!

But when you think of that game, it was VERY restrictive to where you could mulch your three times... Like low dozens of possibilities restrictive, not low single digits.

Pretty sure it was in the single digits.

Thinking about it for a minute, it seems like it would have been very single-digit-ish. Just trying to enumerate the possibilities in my head again and even a dozen does sound like too high an estimate. The placement restriction was lovely, wasn't it?

romothesavior

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### Re: Mulch Game

Philipsssssss wrote:^ Good for you guys.

I skipped to the intern's, drew out all the possibilities...then realized half way down i am having too many 'right answers', 'realized' i did something wrong, redrew the possibilities, went back to the questions, still saw something is not right...law and behold...i misread a F&^%\$ rule about the 2 variables (G,L). Ok...5 min called... my brain leaked into my underwear...

mulch = all guess (but one)
interns = all guess

and from this point....my test went on just 'wonderful'...

Weren't you the one bragging about how easy the dinos game was last week? That you couldn't understand why us June '09 test-takers were complaing so much?

Well, it ain't so easy come test day, now is it? The nerves, the stress, the knowledge that this is for real... its a little different than the library or your bedroom.

d34d9823

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Pahnda wrote:Thinking about it for a minute, it seems like it would have been very single-digit-ish. Just trying to enumerate the possibilities in my head again and even a dozen does sound like too high an estimate. The placement restriction was lovely, wasn't it?

Definitely, just took a stab at estimating # of permutations without a *certain* condition and it would be more in the 20s-30s I think. With the condition, it was more like 5-10.

malfurion

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zworykin wrote:I saw how limited the possibilities were right off the bat and drew out all the possible scenarios. Not my normal approach, but it worked well.

WestOfTheRest

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romothesavior wrote:
Philipsssssss wrote:^ Good for you guys.

I skipped to the intern's, drew out all the possibilities...then realized half way down i am having too many 'right answers', 'realized' i did something wrong, redrew the possibilities, went back to the questions, still saw something is not right...law and behold...i misread a F&^%\$ rule about the 2 variables (G,L). Ok...5 min called... my brain leaked into my underwear...

mulch = all guess (but one)
interns = all guess

and from this point....my test went on just 'wonderful'...

Weren't you the one bragging about how easy the dinos game was last week? That you couldn't understand why us June '09 test-takers were complaing so much?

Well, it ain't so easy come test day, now is it? The nerves, the stress, the knowledge that this is for real... its a little different than the library or your bedroom.

Just because your nerves get the better of you (they get the better of me too) doesn't mean the question is hard. If you can easily do it in your bedroom/library then it's not that the question is difficult, just that you can't control your nerves.

IBThatGuy

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Ragged wrote:I'm sorry to hear that man. You'd be better off sticking with the order they gave you.

Is there a reason you say that? My thinking has been that, if I'm going to read and symbolize the rules, make inferences, and draw a diagram, I'm going to skip the five-question game and begin with the ones with 6-7 questions. Theoretically, that should get the most bang for the couple of minutes of reading/diagramming.

But, if there's a reason to go in order, I'd be interested to know it.

Ragged

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Philipsssssss wrote:
Ragged wrote:
Philipsssssss wrote:^ Good for you guys.

I skipped to the intern's, drew out all the possibilities...then realized half way down i am having too many 'right answers', 'realized' i did something wrong, redrew the possibilities, went back to the questions, still saw something is not right...law and behold...i misread a F&^%\$ rule about the 2 variables (G,L). Ok...5 min called... my brain leaked into my underwear...

mulch = all guess (but one)
interns = all guess

and from this point....my test went on just 'wonderful'...

I'm sorry to hear that man. You'd be better off sticking with the order they gave you.

Philipsssssss wrote:If you had my experience, would you cancel the score?

(even if it will be 2nd cancellation)....

What score are you going for? If you are trying for 170+ definatly cancel.

I am going for high 160's. I want to be realistic, hit as high as i can.

But low 150?

Is a low 150 worse then having 2 cancelations and then a high score?

I know this is not my level. I just gave up. Plus i was sick/tried to keep coughing to myself, really hard to do.

Then I say cancel. Low 150s is horrible even if followed by a strong score. 2 cancels looks way better.

Ragged

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IBThatGuy wrote:
Ragged wrote:I'm sorry to hear that man. You'd be better off sticking with the order they gave you.

Is there a reason you say that? My thinking has been that, if I'm going to read and symbolize the rules, make inferences, and draw a diagram, I'm going to skip the five-question game and begin with the ones with 6-7 questions. Theoretically, that should get the most bang for the couple of minutes of reading/diagramming.

But, if there's a reason to go in order, I'd be interested to know it.

No real reason. I was saying that in that particular case it would have been better. Just stating the obvious. In fact when I took Jun 09 PT I would have been better served doing the third game (dinos) last. I generally don't do it cuz I always plan to finish the whole section.