Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

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Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby Wooderson » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:06 pm

I usually prep in the low to mid 160's but I don't feel like I even broke 160 on this one.... (I could be wrong though, and would be thrilled to have anything in the 160's).
Since it is my first time taking, the general consensus seems to be with keeping this one and retaking if necessary.

Does anybody have any advice on whether or not to cancel? It would really put my mind at ease if a retake would be weighed heavier than this disaster. I'm just getting exhausted playing the test out in my mind in order to decide whether or not to cancel.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby Philipsssssss » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:10 pm

I score in the mid 160's, and this test was the worst i ever experienced...

I will be lucky to hit 151...ye..that bad...BOMBED my strongest LG section.

And, if i cancel, it will be my second time.

If i was in your shoes, 1 cancellation would be ok.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby Wooderson » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:17 pm

I really don't want to cancel though... part of me is still optimistic that I will hit my PT range. Also, If I retake then I will have a better idea of what to expect after finding out what I got on this one.

I guess it really comes down to this... if I score a 156 on this one, but the next time get above a 160, won't the schools just look at the higher one anyway?

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby alex_cryp » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:30 pm

Depends on the school, they all have different policies. Many take the highest, some average, some consider all scores as a holistic unit. Look up the policies on the schools you are looking at applying to to make an informed decision. I'm in a similar boat. I'm pretty sure I didn't get the score I wanted/needed. But I don't want to cancel. I have a tendency to overreact to things. I'm just going to let it ride and then use the information I get back in the score report to learn from my mistakes and kick ass in October.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby D. H2Oman » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:33 pm

Don't cancel, any school that regularly takes LSAT scores in lower 160's does not give a shit about retakes.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby wjun15 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:40 pm

^ what if you know you got like a 150 when ur averaging 160s

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:47 pm

wjun15 wrote:^ what if you know you got like a 150 when ur averaging 160s


Any toilet school willing to take a low 160's only cares about your highest.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby 3|ink » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:49 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
wjun15 wrote:^ what if you know you got like a 150 when ur averaging 160s


Any toilet school willing to take a low 160's only cares about your highest.


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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby felicity » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:14 pm

I have the same question: Should I cancel and retake?

I took the February LSAT and I got 150 (I was working full time and traveling every week. Yeah, yeah, I know, excuses).

I have been averaging at 159-160 in my PTs, quite alright for the schools I was targeting. However, the LG, also my strongest suit, killed me. I panicked as soon as I saw Game 4. I am estimating that I will be in the low 150s range. :( It might get me in some schools but that's not for certain either. I have 8 years of work experience and more than 2 years in corporate sales management.

What do I do? I am quite confident I can do better in October or December. But the LSAC's limit is 3 takes in a span of 2 years, and that includes canceled tests.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:15 pm

felicity wrote:I have the same question: Should I cancel and retake?

I took the February LSAT and I got 150 (I was working full time and traveling every week. Yeah, yeah, I know, excuses).

I have been averaging at 159-160 in my PTs, quite alright for the schools I was targeting. However, the LG, also my strongest suit, killed me. I panicked as soon as I saw Game 4. I am estimating that I will be in the low 150s range. :( It might get me in some schools but that's not for certain either. I have 8 years of work experience and more than 2 years in corporate sales management.

What do I do? I am quite confident I can do better in October or December. But the LSAC's limit is 3 takes in a span of 2 years, and that includes canceled tests.


low 150s>150

And there is no reason to believe you won't fuck up again in oct.

Bank your slightly higher score while you've got a chance.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby felicity » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:18 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
felicity wrote:I have the same question: Should I cancel and retake?

I took the February LSAT and I got 150 (I was working full time and traveling every week. Yeah, yeah, I know, excuses).

I have been averaging at 159-160 in my PTs, quite alright for the schools I was targeting. However, the LG, also my strongest suit, killed me. I panicked as soon as I saw Game 4. I am estimating that I will be in the low 150s range. :( It might get me in some schools but that's not for certain either. I have 8 years of work experience and more than 2 years in corporate sales management.

What do I do? I am quite confident I can do better in October or December. But the LSAC's limit is 3 takes in a span of 2 years, and that includes canceled tests.


low 150s>150

And there is no reason to believe you won't fuck up again in oct.

Bank your slightly higher score while you've got a chance.



I'll consider that. It doesn't help either that I am not getting any younger-er.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby wrichcirw » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:01 pm

Wooderson wrote:I usually prep in the low to mid 160's but I don't feel like I even broke 160 on this one.... (I could be wrong though, and would be thrilled to have anything in the 160's).
Since it is my first time taking, the general consensus seems to be with keeping this one and retaking if necessary.

Does anybody have any advice on whether or not to cancel? It would really put my mind at ease if a retake would be weighed heavier than this disaster. I'm just getting exhausted playing the test out in my mind in order to decide whether or not to cancel.


imo, it all comes down to how you did on the *real* LG section. The RC and LR were not particularly striking in difficulty, but yours truly along with a good number of people on this forum are sweating bullets over the LG, particularly the 2nd and 4th games.

I normally score 90-100% on LG and get the same low to mid 160s, and I guessed on seven questions on the LG section. I am cancelling, probably tomorrow so that I sit on it for one more day.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby Marino13 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:44 pm

I see you guys mention maybe lower-tier schools don't care about retakes. How about in, say, the Top 30? Do most of those schools average out scores, or do they just take the highest one?

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:46 pm

Marino13 wrote:I see you guys mention maybe lower-tier schools don't care about retakes. How about in, say, the Top 30? Do most of those schools average out scores, or do they just take the highest one?


IMO HYS care about retakes somewhat. NYU actually averages. Everyone else pretty much takes highest, but considers other scores. Some schools, NU and Boalt outright say top score only.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby DCApplicant2011 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:59 pm

I'm also hoping to get some advice from more experienced LSAT takers. I took yesterday's test after having taken a prep course and studied seriously for about 6 months. I took about 40-50 PTs and at the end, I was averaging about a 170. I didn't have one section that I consistently did better on-- it varied from test to test. Sometimes I got -0 on LR, -0 on LG, and -8 on RC; sometimes I got -6 on LR, -2 on games, and -0 on RC.

I was really hoping that adrenaline and intense focus would help me score a 170 on the real thing... ideally a 172 or higher. I think I'm fully capable. I went into the test thinking I was going to dominate, but the first LR reasoning section seemed harder than usual, which crushed my confidence. During practice, I usually had at least 5 minutes remaining after I had finished a LR section. The problem yesterday was that I overanalyzed easy questions I wouldn't normally have looked at twice, and I panicked when I had more unanswered questions than time remaining. It's entirely possible that I was able to select the right answers despite feeling rushed, but it made me quite uneasy.

That anxiety carried over into the second section (LG), but I breezed through the first two games (assuming I didn't make any careless mistakes), and was able to at least finish the last two even though I created way more hypotheticals than were necessary. I could have gotten -1 or -2 on the LG, or I could have screwed everything up and missed 15.

The third section (LR) also seemed harder than usual, but it sounds like that was the experimental. I breezed through the 4th and 5th sections (RC and LR) with no difficulty, and I really felt like I had gotten my groove back by the end of it.

Has anyone left the test feeling pretty dejected only to discover that you actually did well? I had that experience a couple times during my prep course. My best estimate is that I scored 165-168 yesterday. I think I will probably have to retake in October because with my GPA, there's really no point in applying to my top 2 schools (UVA and GULC) without a 170. Would canceling this score be the right choice? Thanks for any advice!

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby Marino13 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:12 pm

Sorry.. first time on the board, so someone fill me in as to what HYS is? Thanks.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:14 pm

Marino13 wrote:Sorry.. first time on the board, so someone fill me in as to what HYS is? Thanks.


Harvard, Yale, Stanford.

CCN= Columbia, UChicago, NYU

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby Wooderson » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:32 pm

wrichcirw wrote:
Wooderson wrote:I usually prep in the low to mid 160's but I don't feel like I even broke 160 on this one.... (I could be wrong though, and would be thrilled to have anything in the 160's).
Since it is my first time taking, the general consensus seems to be with keeping this one and retaking if necessary.

Does anybody have any advice on whether or not to cancel? It would really put my mind at ease if a retake would be weighed heavier than this disaster. I'm just getting exhausted playing the test out in my mind in order to decide whether or not to cancel.


imo, it all comes down to how you did on the *real* LG section. The RC and LR were not particularly striking in difficulty, but yours truly along with a good number of people on this forum are sweating bullets over the LG, particularly the 2nd and 4th games.

I normally score 90-100% on LG and get the same low to mid 160s, and I guessed on seven questions on the LG section. I am cancelling, probably tomorrow so that I sit on it for one more day.


Yeah the LG section was definitely my sticking point but I had absolutely no problems with games 2, 3 and 4... Game 1 took a considerable amount of time for some reason (probably nerves) so I had had to skip the last 3 in that game and move on... ended rushing back to it with a minute left

However, after reading all the threads about how "brutal" the mulch and Intern games were I am starting to really second guess myself. Game 1 and question 4 in the RC section were my weakest spots yesterday.

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Re: Should I Cancel the June 2010 LSAT?

Postby wrichcirw » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:46 pm

Wooderson wrote:
wrichcirw wrote:
Wooderson wrote:I usually prep in the low to mid 160's but I don't feel like I even broke 160 on this one.... (I could be wrong though, and would be thrilled to have anything in the 160's).
Since it is my first time taking, the general consensus seems to be with keeping this one and retaking if necessary.

Does anybody have any advice on whether or not to cancel? It would really put my mind at ease if a retake would be weighed heavier than this disaster. I'm just getting exhausted playing the test out in my mind in order to decide whether or not to cancel.


imo, it all comes down to how you did on the *real* LG section. The RC and LR were not particularly striking in difficulty, but yours truly along with a good number of people on this forum are sweating bullets over the LG, particularly the 2nd and 4th games.

I normally score 90-100% on LG and get the same low to mid 160s, and I guessed on seven questions on the LG section. I am cancelling, probably tomorrow so that I sit on it for one more day.


Yeah the LG section was definitely my sticking point but I had absolutely no problems with games 2, 3 and 4... Game 1 took a considerable amount of time for some reason (probably nerves) so I had had to skip the last 3 in that game and move on... ended rushing back to it with a minute left

However, after reading all the threads about how "brutal" the mulch and Intern games were I am starting to really second guess myself. Game 1 and question 4 in the RC section were my weakest spots yesterday.


LOL, well, you know better than anyone else on the forum how well you did on the LG. It also depends on what your benchmark is. It sounded like game 1 wasn't really a problem, and you probably missed 3 total on the LG section (that first game), maybe 4 or 5 if that's how it's been working for you on preps (one or two more for the dummy mistakes). One question on RC will not make or break a 160, so it sounds like you're sitting pretty good, assuming of course there's nothing else you're worried about. I don't know about you, but I typically almost know my exact LG score before I actually receive it - if I made good time and saw answers pop out at me, I am almost guaranteed a 90-100%. If I have to guess on more than one game, I'm hurting.

Myself, a low to mid 160 equates to a near-flawless performance on LG, and 70-80% right on the other sections. I feel good but not great about the other sections, and seven questions on what should have been a gimme for me (the LG section) hurts quite a bit. Most importantly, I plan on taking the advice I see on this forum, and buying the powerscore books and really getting the formal logic down - I took Kaplan and their course was a great primer on the LSAT, but not a great course for anyone looking to get significantly above 160. In fact, I'm headed to a barnes and nobles right now.

So, I'm cancelling because I think I can do way better, I have the time to make it happen, and I've already spent a gob of money up to this point, so dropping another $200 would be a great investment if it got me another 5-10 points on the LSAT.

Cheers, good luck with your applications. :)




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