LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

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LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:02 pm

I don't understand this. LSAC specifically says that no electronic timers are permitted. What does this even mean? Are we only allowed to use watches that you wind? Last I checked, just about every watch out there is an electric timer (they run on batteries). At first I took this to mean that just no digital watches are permitted, but then the rules would have said just that instead.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby jpSartre » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:05 pm

Only analog watches are allowed; those are the ones with hands.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:05 pm

honestabe84 wrote:I don't understand this. LSAC specifically says that no electronic timers are permitted. What does this even mean? Are we only allowed to use watches that you wind? Last I checked, just about every watch out there is an electric timer (they run on batteries). At first I took this to mean that just no digital watches are permitted, but then the rules would have said just that instead.


They mean digital, but you are right its ambiguous. I bet even most windup watches have a quartz clock in them.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby quishiclocus » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:07 pm

Watches aren't timers. They're clocks. They tell the time, they don't measure the time between events.

To be on the safe side, this is what I got.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:08 pm

Do you all think that chronograph watches meet regulations?
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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:09 pm

honestabe84 wrote:Do you two think that chronograph watches meet regulations?


Yes, and I recommend one.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby LSAT Blog » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:09 pm

honestabe84 wrote:At first I took this to mean that just no digital watches are permitted, but then the rules would have said just that instead.


They DO say no digital watches are permitted.

http://lsac.org/LSAT/day-of-test.asp

When they refer to analog, they usually put the term nondigital in parentheses immediately afterward.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:10 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:Do you two think that chronograph watches meet regulations?


Yes, and I recommend one.


But isn't a chronograph a "timer" by definition?

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:14 pm

honestabe84 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:Do you two think that chronograph watches meet regulations?


Yes, and I recommend one.


But isn't a chronograph a "timer" by definition?


So is a watch. It says you are allowed an analog wristwatch, so get a wristwatch with an analog chronograph.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:16 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:Do you two think that chronograph watches meet regulations?


Yes, and I recommend one.


But isn't a chronograph a "timer" by definition?


So is a watch. It says you are allowed an analog wristwatch, so get a wristwatch with an analog chronograph.


I guess, but an analog wristwatch is a clock, while a chronograph is designed to time events and not to tell time.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:17 pm

quishiclocus wrote:Watches aren't timers. They're clocks. They tell the time, they don't measure the time between events.

To be on the safe side, this is what I got.


Either way, the rules also say "Test supervisors are directed to dismiss from the test center any test taker discovered using, or in possession of, any type of electronic device such as electronic timers....."

A battery operated watch clearly falls under the bolded.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:18 pm

[quote="honestabe84"]

Stop being pedantic and buy a chronograph watch. Nobody will say shit.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby jpSartre » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:20 pm

(Potential) lawyers are so productive. Everyone knows the answers but we're still quibbling over the phrasing.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:21 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:
Stop being pedantic and buy a chronograph watch. Nobody will say shit.


Ya, I guess I'm being a little paranoid, but I would just hate to get written up for something so stupid. I mean if you're pushing buttons on the side of your watch, I could see how a proctor might want to come over and check it out.

Getting written up for misconduct is probably on the same level as getting caught plagiarizing a paper during your undergrad.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:26 pm

honestabe84 wrote:
Ya, I guess I'm being a little paranoid, but I would just hate to get written up for something so stupid. I mean if you're pushing buttons on the side of your watch, I could see how a proctor might want to come over and check it out.

Getting written up for misconduct is probably on the same level as getting caught plagiarizing a paper during your undergrad.


Nobody gets kicked out over having a chronograph. It's not disallowed. It says no electronic devices, but even your analog wrist watch is an electronic device. The paradox comes from LSAC being a bureaucracy, not a group that knows the strict definition of electronic.

Furthermore pushing a button on your watch isn't suspicious at all, because people who use watches, rewind them to 12:00 anyway. Which necessitates pushing the button.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby balzern » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:43 pm

So I have a generic analog wristwatch that I have been using to keep time...Do proctors care if you start and stop your watch (so that the hands are always at a designated time, noon for example, when you begin)? I find it a hell of a lot easier to read the damn thing when I can tell myself that at quarter after (said hour) I should be about half way through a section.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby libertarian » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:51 pm

WHAT ABOUT A SUNDIAL???!?!!??!??!?!?!?1111??!?!

Just use a fucking analog wristwatch and stop bitching.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby IAFG » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:51 pm

proctors can vary in strictness. you don't want to go through the stress of getting your watch taken away because one proctor agrees with Desert Fox and another doesn't. to be safe just rely on any visible wall clocks and don't bother risking it.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby Holly Golightly » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:52 pm

Sundials are the only acceptable timepiece. All watches are electronic, and therefore barred. Hope that helps!

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby JTX » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:52 pm

sit by window, use sun dial.

i'm just guessing what kind of watch you have might be the least of your LSAT worries.

edit: great minds think alike.
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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby NayBoer » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:54 pm

Just to be safe, use a sand timer. Make sure your extra sand is on your desk, because you can't go into your bag during the test.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby Harryis44 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:55 pm

Don't forget a sextent, because you'll have to correct your sundial reading according to your longitude.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby libertarian » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:55 pm

Actually, sundials are a form of primitive technology, so you should use your menstrual cycle as a measurement. That's really the most natural way.

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby Leeroy Jenkins » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:57 pm

Bring a computer thats a digital clock. o wait

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Re: LSAT Watch Rules=Vague?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:57 pm

TCR is not to be dumb enough to have to use the full 35 minutes. What is the point of knowing how badly you are sucking up your timing.




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