Has anybody experienced the following......?

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Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby jason8821 » Mon May 31, 2010 7:54 pm

I am absolutely obsessed with the LSAT. I have probably, put in 600 hours over the last 7 months. This is with a full time job-40-50 hours/week for the last 5. My score has consistently worked it's way back down between my high end PT's, and middle of diagnostics. To say I am "burned out" would be putting it very lightly. The problem is that now I have the test in June coming up in a week. I am currently neurotic fucking mess. Sometimes when I take PT's my hands actually shake so bad, I can hardly hold a pencil. I have never in my life had test anxiety, because well I never put much time into any test. To top it all off, everyone I know, both those who seem to be my intellectual superiors and those who seem dumb as a fucking rock seem to be having relative success with lsat as they define success. (No one bombing it). I feel like a virgin at a party full of porn stars. Aghhhhhhh! Ohhh and i'm taking on June 7th. Ohhh and I had one of my more intelligent friends take it with me cold to get a test like feel, and in hopes I'd get a little confidence as very people score in the high 150's-160+ completely cold, and he got a 163 finishing most of the sections with 5 minutes left, not giving one shit in the world! WTF. WELL at least his career prospects look decent if he wants to change careers.


1.) sorry for such a negative post with the lsat a week away.

2.) Question: has anyone taken a significant amount of time off, like months, or even a year to find out that when they came back things went significantly better, or is this something I need to deal with right now?

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby jason8821 » Mon May 31, 2010 7:56 pm

Also, I have a fee waiver for this test. I suppose I should just take and cancel if I feel it went poorly.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby StrictlyLiable » Mon May 31, 2010 8:56 pm

I don't know man. I've felt the exact same way. Have you improved a lot during your extensive amount of hours? I guess I would say to just take it a little slower up until the test.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby bk1 » Mon May 31, 2010 9:15 pm

Ignore what scores other people get, to be honest some people are naturally better at this sort of thing or have taken courses that focus on logic and thus have a lot of practice with it.

All that matters is what score you want to get and how well you are PTing now. If you are happy with the score you are getting on your PT's then it doesn't matter how other people are doing.

I would focus on finding a way to eliminate the stress you are experiencing. If you really feel that taking it right now would be poor, then cancel or do a no-show. Remember, retaking is always an option if you do not do well.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby jason8821 » Mon May 31, 2010 9:44 pm

Thanks for the replies. I know it sucks seeing a post where someone is pissing and moaning a week before the test. Truth is with my PT's the last couple times, and my 3.3 GPA, I'd have serious trouble being considered at my goal schools (Pitt #1). I'm not happy with it, what sucks even worse is no one else can believe I'm doing that poorly, and most people think i'm crazy putting in this much time. It's one thing to score low 150 to mid 150's after 50 hours/of practice, but not to be back there 500+ hours later, even worse I read all these posts about people dropping on their PT's. I know it can be done (160's), but don't know if it's a problem with the way i am framing the test. That's why I was hoping someone could discuss their experience after taking a long hiatus.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby Azmatt » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:17 pm

you were testing in the mid 150s and then up to 170s consistently? :shock:



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Postby WWAD » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:36 pm

jason8821 wrote:Thanks for the replies. I know it sucks seeing a post where someone is pissing and moaning a week before the test. Truth is with my PT's the last couple times, and my 3.3 GPA, I'd have serious trouble being considered at my goal schools (Pitt #1). I'm not happy with it, what sucks even worse is no one else can believe I'm doing that poorly, and most people think i'm crazy putting in this much time. It's one thing to score low 150 to mid 150's after 50 hours/of practice, but not to be back there 500+ hours later, even worse I read all these posts about people dropping on their PT's. I know it can be done (160's), but don't know if it's a problem with the way i am framing the test. That's why I was hoping someone could discuss their experience after taking a long hiatus.


I have taken tests, but continued to focus on individual sections as well. I hit LG real hard for a while and then took time off and when I came back I "got" it. I have done the same on the other two sections now. I have a packet with every note I took on the bibles and I review it at least every day, studying it like I have never seen it. I also take a lot of sections as apposed to full tests. As long as they are timed it is like running a marathon. You don't run a marathon to train for a marathon. Testing and reviewing is not the whole key, don't forget to study the original info. If you test and review and see your mistakes it's not enough, you have to be learning and changing, don't do it passively and just go through the motions.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby Haribo » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:48 pm

It sounds like you're stressed out and freaking out and doing worse than your potential as a result.

Take a break. You've put in 600 hours... be confident. An extra few hours now will NOT help and may only confuse you, given your mental state. Do whatever you can to forget about the test for the next few days. Watch movies, take a day trip somewhere nice, go out to a restaurant, play your favorite video game... and do NOT feel guilty! You need to destress.

Maybe on Thursday or Friday take a couple of practice sections to see how you feel, and make a decision then about whether to take the test or not. But right now the healthiest thing you can do is stop worrying about it.

Oh yeah, and DON'T hang out on TLS for a few days. Seriously, take a break from all things lsat-related, it sounds like you need one.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby BrightLine » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:56 pm

Try to look at June 7 as an opportunity not as an obstacle to law school.

If you do well then great. If not then you can always retake it.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby jason8821 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:14 pm

Thanks for all of the great replies.

To the person who said take time off logic games, I did that in the past came back after 6 days, and saw my score increase significantly. This phenomena has occured/been recorded on here a number of times with regard to that particular section, so I think I will do that, and hopefully others struggling will consider the above.


The one section that has really gotten me down lately is reading comp. I never owned the section, but it became progressively harder when moving into newer tests. I am having a lot of trouble hitting even 16-17 in this section these days.

Any last minute suggestions there?

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby Cosmo Kramer » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:20 pm

studied all summer, freaked out like you are and got a 158. took 4 months off, took it again, 168. moral of story, don't put the pussy on a pedestal. don't even look at the test anymore, you're not learning anything new at this point.

*avg was 166-170 before first attempt, so it's not like i had an angels in the outfield-like experience.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby jason8821 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:22 am

Yeah, I'm not looking to have a huge 10 point increase, right after taking 2 weeks off, I realize that's kind of unlikely unless I am extremely burnt, but I was thinking more along the lines of slight score drop, spending tons of time trying to fix it with nothing, and then taking a few months plus off and studying with a different perspective, and then gaining significantly.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby Cosmo Kramer » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:03 pm

I guess what I'm trying to say is that time off helps. but it seems like nerves are causing you a lot of problems, so just take the test and see how it feels. Taking it twice doesn't have the negative effect on your app the way it used to, and (at least for me) made the second time way less stressful

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby jason8821 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:03 pm

to the above, that's good to hear. I refuse to give up. I have personally talked to someone who gained over 30 points on their lsat. They gave a very detailed account of their regiment, and I don't believe it to be a fraud. It was by far the strictest regiment I have heard in my life. I don't believe some people just start in the 140's and can only get to 155 while others make it to 175. That just seems like nerves and study habits are the two variables making the difference, and perhaps I need time off to group and regather, but maybe i'm wrong. I'll find out either way albeit over the course of years if I have to.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby Cosmo Kramer » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:05 pm

Just study hard, take breaks when you need, and don't let this place get to you too much. If you go into it thinking "if i don't break 170 my life is over and i don't deserve to be a lawyer" it won't end well. good luck man, you'll do fine.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby jason8821 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:54 am

Cosmo Kramer wrote:Just study hard, take breaks when you need, and don't let this place get to you too much. If you go into it thinking "if i don't break 170 my life is over and i don't deserve to be a lawyer" it won't end well. good luck man, you'll do fine.


It's not the 170 that matters to me, it's the significant improvement. I've put in 7 months of hard studying and if I haven't upped my score at least 15-20 points, I feel like I've failed at improving, that's probably harder than just starting lower than I did, and gaining more. Most people won't tell you if they have worked 600 hours plus paid for a prep course only to gain less than 10 points, and frankly I doubt most people are in that situation, but none the less thank you for the good wishes and now i'll be positive.

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Re: Has anybody experienced the following......?

Postby goawaybee » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:23 am

someone recently reminded me by saying,"stay focused not FIXATED on the LSAT-Balance."

that is the point. If you let it consume you it begins to take over. You have to own it. Months ago it was much easier to stomach a decrease in performance, now most people attempt to use a dip in their scoring trend to get on that negative self-fulfilling prophecy kick. It is just an exam, it needs to be treated as such. We all have plenty riding on it, some more so due to scheduling, life issues, etc...the point is you are BURNING OUT. BACK OFF.

Being confident is the key, i started to eat it on the few timed sections I was doing earlier in the week, that was my sign to let go. Get my head on, maybe piddle with a few games or some LR questions towards the weekend but not check the answers. Spend more time reading articles etc...do sudoku. Be easy on the self. You need to be focused, you need to rest, you need plenty of water, you need a clear mind. Whether you truly NEED these things is not the issue, but they will enable you to perform to the best of your ability.

BURN OUT THE FEAR. Let time disappear.

Determination is essential. If you are testing at 15X and feel you need a 16X (or 16X & feel you need 17X) to gain admission to certain schools then you should do whatever it takes. If you got the stones, take the test apply and don't worry about it. Go visit and let them know your intentions. Whether it happens this cycle or next, no worries. You can make it happen, let nothing get in your way. Especially not fear/doubt/lack of confidence all things you can indeed get a handle on.

Run it out, do the damn thing and maintain control. Breathe and drink plenty of H20.




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