October 2010 Test Prep

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Albatross » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:17 pm

Signing on. 162 on June. 7 points lower than PT average. Going for a 180 this October.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby illmaticjones » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:22 pm

TMT90 wrote:
ryanshep wrote:
illmaticjones wrote:I'm not sure why, but the grouping games seem so foreighn to me in comparison to the linear games when implementing the methods found in the LGB. I am working through that section right now and its giving me a hard time. Has anyone else experienced this and if so, what helped you work through the difficulty experienced?


ditto.

Linear games seem to come naturally to me where as grouping just doesn't click. In for responses.


Same here. When I started grouping games I was getting almost every question wrong and this was after I read that section of LGB. I read the explanations carefully and had a better grasp of double arrows and set ups, I did more games and eventually started getting better results. I even got -0s on a few of the grouping games listed as "most hardest logic games" on LSAT blog. I'm still definitely not scoring as high as I am on linear games, so any tips would benefit me as well.


Thanks TMT90,
I figured that alot of practice would play a large part in improving my performance with grouping games. I guess i was just dumbfounded at how i could go from getting the linear games so easily to struggling so much with the grouping games. I think my issue is with the reclycling of the inferences. The negation of the sufficient and the double arrow conditions are the things i need to pay special attention to. BTW does anyone think that the LRB is just as effective as the LGB when dealing with logical reasoning? I already have two sessions worth of Kaplan books so im debating if it would be redundant for me to purchase the LRB. My teacher says that the methods taught by Kaplan are very similar to those found in the LRB. Anyone have any insight?

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Dany » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:56 pm

Hey all! I just took the June LSAT, and thankfully will not be retaking in October, but I wanted to drop in and give you guys a piece of advice. After taking the June test, I STRONGLY recommend taking 5-section PTs. I never did this, and on the actual test, I missed a combined -3 on the first three sections... and -5 on the last section alone (LR, which is typically my best section.) After looking at the PDFs, I realized that I missed a couple on the last section that I probably shouldn't have. Now, some of this could just be that it was a tough section. Some of it could be game-day nerves. But I really think it was mostly due to fatigue, since I had never taken a test that long before. I'm definitely thrilled with my score, for sure, but I just thought I'd pass along something that I think would've helped me!

Good luck to you all! Work hard, but more importantly, work smart, and you'll kill it come October! :)

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Patriot1208 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:00 pm

eskimo wrote:Hey all! I just took the June LSAT, and thankfully will not be retaking in October, but I wanted to drop in and give you guys a piece of advice. After taking the June test, I STRONGLY recommend taking 5-section PTs. I never did this, and on the actual test, I missed a combined -3 on the first three sections... and -5 on the last section alone (LR, which is typically my best section.) After looking at the PDFs, I realized that I missed a couple on the last section that I probably shouldn't have. Now, some of this could just be that it was a tough section. Some of it could be game-day nerves. But I really think it was mostly due to fatigue, since I had never taken a test that long before. I'm definitely thrilled with my score, for sure, but I just thought I'd pass along something that I think would've helped me!

Good luck to you all! Work hard, but more importantly, work smart, and you'll kill it come October! :)

Thank you... I had already planned on doing this but its good to know i'm not just wasting preptests

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Dany » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:10 pm

Patriot1208 wrote: Thank you... I had already planned on doing this but its good to know i'm not just wasting preptests

Yeah, I definitely think it's not a waste. I actually thought it was kind of silly when I was prepping, but when I nearly tripled my number of incorrect answers on the very last section, I realized that it might have been pretty beneficial. I actually missed all five on the last ten questions of the test! So for the first 89 questions, I was at a -3, and on the last 10, I was -5! :shock:

All's well though; hindsight is 20/20, and I hope you guys can take something away from this!

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby TMT90 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:54 pm

illmaticjones wrote:
TMT90 wrote:
ryanshep wrote:
illmaticjones wrote:I'm not sure why, but the grouping games seem so foreighn to me in comparison to the linear games when implementing the methods found in the LGB. I am working through that section right now and its giving me a hard time. Has anyone else experienced this and if so, what helped you work through the difficulty experienced?


ditto.

Linear games seem to come naturally to me where as grouping just doesn't click. In for responses.


Same here. When I started grouping games I was getting almost every question wrong and this was after I read that section of LGB. I read the explanations carefully and had a better grasp of double arrows and set ups, I did more games and eventually started getting better results. I even got -0s on a few of the grouping games listed as "most hardest logic games" on LSAT blog. I'm still definitely not scoring as high as I am on linear games, so any tips would benefit me as well.


Thanks TMT90,
I figured that alot of practice would play a large part in improving my performance with grouping games. I guess i was just dumbfounded at how i could go from getting the linear games so easily to struggling so much with the grouping games. I think my issue is with the reclycling of the inferences. The negation of the sufficient and the double arrow conditions are the things i need to pay special attention to. BTW does anyone think that the LRB is just as effective as the LGB when dealing with logical reasoning? I already have two sessions worth of Kaplan books so im debating if it would be redundant for me to purchase the LRB. My teacher says that the methods taught by Kaplan are very similar to those found in the LRB. Anyone have any insight?



I'm a little more than half way through with LRB and while it reviews contrapositives and negation from LGB, it also expands on those ideas and provides more detailed instructions as well as discussing other ways to negate and delves into formal logic, informal logic, cause and effect, chapters for each type of LR question, etc. I think it's a good buy and i've been doing pretty well on the practice questions. I can't wait to finish this book so I can start taking practice tests to gauge where i'm at in my understanding of the material.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Hedwig » Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:13 am

Hello all...

I've just recently joined this site as I've been researching different study techniques and books and found all the lovely information on here.

I'm a sophomore undergraduate in English/Greek and Roman Studies. Currently, I'm resting on just over a 4.0 GPA - Anything less than a 3.83 on my university's scale means I lose my scholarship, so I've got a double incentive for that.

My biggest strength is probably Reading Comprehension, and I'm doing rather... touch and go on Logical Reasoning. Planning on purchasing the twin Powerscore Bibles to accompany my prep tests.

I've come up with a study plan based on kind of a mix of a lot of different schedules I've seen.

July shall be focused on pure accuracy - working through both Bibles, taking sections and questions and not worrying about timing just yet. After each problem (or section, or whatever), doing review of each question, regardless of whether I get it right. I'm planning on using both Bibles, along with Superprep for this month, and depending how fast I go through materials, the second LSAT book of ten (10 more, I think it's called).

August will be honing those accuracy skills and speeding them up. Working on timing, getting used to being timed, (looking into that Proctor DVD), and hopefully getting myself used to finishing in at least 5 minutes less than actual time (i.e. give myself 30 minutes only to finish rather than the actual 35) and I'm thinking that might even be conservative. I'll be using the second and third LSAT books of ten throughout this month, as well as continuing Powerscore if I don't finish during July.

September will be the month of ENDURANCE! And getting myself used to the test. I'm saving the newest prep tests for this month, and I'm planning on regularly taking 5-6 section tests. The test center is my home university, so I've got a madcap plan to get myself used to taking an LSAT on Saturday. Starting in September, I'll be putting myself to bed by 10.00 every Friday night, getting up at 6, getting myself to my university and conducting a practice test under as close as possible conditions... same breaks, same supplies, *hopefully* same room, or maybe just in that same area/building. Hopefully, by doing this four times in a row, I'll be absolutely fine by the time the *actual* Saturday rolls around. For the 5-6 section tests, I'll be splicing in "experimental" sections from the first book of ten LSATs, since I've heard they're a bit different and not exactly what you'd expect on the newer LSATs, so I'd prefer to use them in sections and as the "weird" section of the test.

Anyways... this is my strange cobbling together of all the advice I've read so far. I'm pretty excited to get started (can't wait for my prep books to come in the mail).

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby unattended bag » Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:37 am

eskimo wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote: Thank you... I had already planned on doing this but its good to know i'm not just wasting preptests

Yeah, I definitely think it's not a waste. I actually thought it was kind of silly when I was prepping, but when I nearly tripled my number of incorrect answers on the very last section, I realized that it might have been pretty beneficial. I actually missed all five on the last ten questions of the test! So for the first 89 questions, I was at a -3, and on the last 10, I was -5! :shock:

All's well though; hindsight is 20/20, and I hope you guys can take something away from this!


Somebody suggested to me that I re-use old logic games that I had trouble with as the experimental section. Seems like a good idea for the extra practice/endurance, and a way not to waste preptests.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby d34d9823 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:56 pm

eskimo wrote:Hey all! I just took the June LSAT, and thankfully will not be retaking in October, but I wanted to drop in and give you guys a piece of advice. After taking the June test, I STRONGLY recommend taking 5-section PTs. I never did this, and on the actual test, I missed a combined -3 on the first three sections... and -5 on the last section alone (LR, which is typically my best section.) After looking at the PDFs, I realized that I missed a couple on the last section that I probably shouldn't have. Now, some of this could just be that it was a tough section. Some of it could be game-day nerves. But I really think it was mostly due to fatigue, since I had never taken a test that long before. I'm definitely thrilled with my score, for sure, but I just thought I'd pass along something that I think would've helped me!

Good luck to you all! Work hard, but more importantly, work smart, and you'll kill it come October! :)

Eskimo is a wise person. You should listen to her. That last section will wreck you if your brain comes up numb. I've had that happen on PTs, and it's a terrible feeling.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby kineticx » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:14 pm

Just completed 10 games in a row... my eyes hurt.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby brickman » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:56 pm

kineticx wrote:Just completed 10 games in a row... my eyes hurt.



games or game sections?

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Anaconda » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:58 pm

brickman wrote:
kineticx wrote:Just completed 10 games in a row... my eyes hurt.



games or game sections?


Probably games, 10 straight sections would be over 5 hours assuming he didn't go insane or kill himself before finishing.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby balzern » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:32 pm

Hey everyone! Good luck studying! I am retaking in October because I got killed in June, 153 - when my average was a 160. I am taking the Blueprint movie course so hopefully I can get my score up to a 160. My test day experience was miserable, had awful conditions and was pretty rattled by the end of the test. If I could give one bit of advice - pt in various conditions and with various noise levels. This will pay off in the long run!

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby LLB2JD » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:46 am

Signing in here -

I am taking the October LSAT. After going through the Games and Reasoning Bibles, I took Preptest 19 (June 1996) (untimed) today, and scored a 162.

I still have a long way to go, but I feel good especially given my 145 diagnostic.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby smuckunc » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:47 am

I am throwing in as well. I got a 162 on June 2010. I was scoring low 170s in PTs beforehand. I completely bombed my first section (-10), so I am chalking that up to nerves. I plan on focusing on LR as a result. I appreciate everyone's input and support leading up to the test, and am happy to actively participate in this community going forward.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Justiceinbrothel » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:38 am

smuckunc wrote:I am throwing in as well. I got a 162 on June 2010. I was scoring low 170s in PTs beforehand. I completely bombed my first section (-10), so I am chalking that up to nerves. I plan on focusing on LR as a result. I appreciate everyone's input and support leading up to the test, and am happy to actively participate in this community going forward.



The problem lies in food intake. You ate so many boiled eggs that yolk, which is sulphur, was too high. Eventually first section was ruined. Even King James version of Bible has condemned the consumption of boiled egg before exams:

"And nephi saw declining marks, consumed three boiled eggs night before in Jerusalam;"
5:33 Matthew

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Rikkugrrl » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:03 pm

Question: I've discovered an interesting phenomenon. I took a practice test yesterday (I know, bad girl, I'm supposed to wait until the end of July, but I wanted to see how much a month off of studying affected me). I actually didn't miss too many (relative to what I thought I'd miss after not studying for awhile), but I didn't bother scoring (the exact number won't do anything to help me and might end up stressing me out). Anyway, I missed about 16, but then I spent the rest of the day piddling around and doing absolutely nothing. Went for a swim, had a good lunch, chatted on the phone etc etc. Then after a good night sleep I came back the next morning and looked at the questions I missed. Not only did I get them all right, but it was absurdly obvious why I missed them in the first place. I even wrote out explanations of why I got them wrong beside the answers. All of the games questions were careless errors (forgetting a rule etc).

I can't tell if it's a good or a bad sign. On the one hand, it may be a sign I know the material. On the other hand, hindsight is 20/20 and it could mean I'm prone to careless errors, which I'm not sure how to overcome, since I know the stress of test day will increase the chance of careless erroring. Any thoughts?

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby jwaters » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:15 pm

Rikkugrrl wrote:
I can't tell if it's a good or a bad sign. On the one hand, it may be a sign I know the material. On the other hand, hindsight is 20/20 and it could mean I'm prone to careless errors, which I'm not sure how to overcome, since I know the stress of test day will increase the chance of careless erroring. Any thoughts?


I would think that overcoming careless errors is a lot easier than having to overcome simply not "getting" the games. However, that doesn't mean that you should simply chalk off your wrong answers to careless mistakes and forget about them. Always review, understand, and improve on your wrong answers, no matter how you came to get them wrong in the first place.

Out of curiosity, how much did you improve during that month of studying and what did you do to study during that month?

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Rikkugrrl » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:30 pm

jwaters wrote:
Rikkugrrl wrote:
I can't tell if it's a good or a bad sign. On the one hand, it may be a sign I know the material. On the other hand, hindsight is 20/20 and it could mean I'm prone to careless errors, which I'm not sure how to overcome, since I know the stress of test day will increase the chance of careless erroring. Any thoughts?


I would think that overcoming careless errors is a lot easier than having to overcome simply not "getting" the games. However, that doesn't mean that you should simply chalk off your wrong answers to careless mistakes and forget about them. Always review, understand, and improve on your wrong answers, no matter how you came to get them wrong in the first place.

Out of curiosity, how much did you improve during that month of studying and what did you do to study during that month?


Erm, I...didn't study. At all. I studied for the June 2010 LSAT, freaked out and canceled, then hid my books for a month and trained for a triathalon. My tutor basically told me he would shred my LSAT books if I did anymore serious studying before the end of July; he's convinced overstudying is why I got so nervous on test day. But when I took that test yesterday I missed a few more than usual (but not as many as I thought I'd miss from being out of practice). That test was taken relatively cold; last time I studied was the Friday before the June LSAT.

As for what I did for June, I went to a free class at my college twice a week and had a semi private tutor (occasionally like one other person would show up right before the December or February test, but everyone at my college is apparently a moron and doesn't care about their LSAT score. I think our average is like a 152). Since I was the only one who consistently showed up, he started forming his lesson plans around my weaknesses. It was freaking awesome and I hope the October LSAT takers at my college stay away next semester too >:). I also did about 15 full PTs, did timed sections and games by type, and read the LR Bible (not in that order). I never did a 5 section PT though and I rarely reviewed my tests so I think that's where I need to improve.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby SBrooks516 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:05 pm

Hi All,

Im a new user here and I had to join after all the great advice I have received from all of you. For me my story is not as great my PT scores are extremely low...like really really low...I took the Kaplan course and to be honest I had to much personal stuff going on to really get into it and my score didnt improve much...after snapping back into reality and getting my self together knowing I HAVE to face this LSAT if I want to attend law school next fall I started to get SERIOUS and put all my drama ahemm!! behind me and get FOCUSED I found this site and was very amazed at how high you all score and the score I dreamed of getting most of the people on this site complained about, I took some advice and I purchased all of the bibles and they do help ALOT!! I must say most people dont like Kaplan but I am mixing the two bc its a lot of valuable resources Kaplan has if your enrolled like online tutorials and all I am taking advantage of the Higher Score Guarantee and retaking it starting on Thursday.....anyways after taking the advice of "some" people on here I have been giving it my ALL!! I even studied on my recent vacation to Jamaica layed by the beach at 6am and read the bibles...and my score has jumped 8 points already...and sadly my score is still very low with a 8 point jump (so you can imagine what my initial score was, Im not going to be the laughing stock of TLS but its LOW) anyways, my problem was learning the types of questions for the LR and how to attack them, LG is killing me, having a hard time with inferences, and Reading Comp.............ummmm sorry fell asleep..is the worse but im going to attack that also. Anyways just wanted to inspire someone who isnt already scoring a great score on the PTs that if you put in hard work you can improve if I can do better anyone can..and I havent even finished the bibles and my score is getting higher and higher...anyways GOOD LUCK to everyone I know I need it.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Nulli Secundus » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:07 pm

Bawwwww! Just called LSAC about my AACRAO evaluation report and I pronounced AACRAO as separate letters, while from what I gathered from her response the correct pronounciation of the abbreviation is achk-ro. I am so embarassed!

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby TMT90 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:26 pm

Hey all, just dropping in for a quick update. So i'm nearly done with the LRB (already completed LGB) and tomorrow or Wednesday i'll be taking my first untimed PT since my diagnostic which will be the start of my PTing. Will taking the earliest PT in the "10 lsats" series be a better of guage of my understanding of the material?

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby StirFry101 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:31 pm

TMT90 wrote:Hey all, just dropping in for a quick update. So i'm nearly done with the LRB (already completed LGB) and tomorrow or Wednesday i'll be taking my first untimed PT since my diagnostic which will be the start of my PTing. Will taking the earliest PT in the "10 lsats" series be a better of guage of my understanding of the material?


Frankly, it shouldn't matter. The concepts are the same. Just start from the earliest tests and work your way forward. Make photocopies before you start, though. You can use sections from your weakest area to throw into your 5th section later in your prep.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby TonyStarks » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:00 pm

Is anybody else planning on using the 3 month plan offered here on the lsat blog?

http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/3- ... edule.html

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby jwaters » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:44 pm

TonyStarks wrote:Is anybody else planning on using the 3 month plan offered here on the lsat blog?

http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/3- ... edule.html



I'm sort of following the 4-month plan from that blog, but I'm trying to get through the first couple of months a lot quicker so I can do more PT's. It seems to be working well so far. Also, I'm pretty sure the guy that runs the blog is a frequent poster here.




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