October 2010 Test Prep

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Nulli Secundus » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:40 pm

If you forget a paragraph of info while going from stimulus to stem, how on earth do you finish RC on time?

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby DasBoot » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:54 pm

It's not so much that I forget as it is that I don't have confidence that I'll remember the little parts that you need to answer the question right. I just felt compelled to look back one more time to be sure. Then again, this was back in the summer when my LR skills were dull no matter what method I used. Chances are I could use either way and the timing and accurracy difference would be minute. I just feel more comfortable going stem then stimulus.

RC is a bit of a struggle still. I can keep the information in, but I think my marking methods are too time consuming at the moment. That is what this week is all about.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby jfb » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:10 pm

Just got my "Good Luck on the October LSAT" email from Cooley Law School. Just the boost I needed before taking a pt.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby lparker » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:20 pm

jfb wrote:Just got my "Good Luck on the October LSAT" email from Cooley Law School. Just the boost I needed before taking a pt.


LOL. Oh my gosh. I got that too. Then I quickly deleted it and looked around and made sure no one saw!

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby 3|ink » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:02 pm

Why does Cooley have a bad rep again? I can't find them on the rankings. Maybe that's the issue.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby firemed » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:02 pm

curryinaninstant wrote:Whats the general consensus on trying Stem first/ Stimulus first. is it too late to switch?



Stimulus first is my vote... but not in depth.... like 10-20 secs for LR, 1-2 minutes for RC. I skim it to get a feeling for the terms and general argument or conclusion. Then I read stem, then I either go back to the stimulus for more detail, or go to the answers. Then back to the stimulus once I have narrowed down the answer to 1-3 choices. Then mark.

I always get the section done with at least 30 seconds to spare, and often 5 minutes. -2 RC and -2 to -4 LR (per section). So... maybe for LR you don't want to take my advice, actually :D.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Hedwig » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:09 pm

Just finished PT 46. It was a bit of a more informal test - wasn't scheduled, just wanted to get all my PTs in before the big day, lol. Most notable was the time - I spent about 20 minutes per LR section, lol.

I scored 97 raw, 179 scaled. ELLE WOODS SCORE, boo yah. -1 RC (the very first question lol), -0LR, -1LR, -0LG.

The first two LG games were SO FREAKING EASY I blew through them in 10 minutes, then was so glad because the third was harder and the fourth was killer for me.

For some reason, the LR on this test was just clicking. Like, the answers just like HELLO I AM THE RIGHT ANSWER PICK ME.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby gdane » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:50 pm

eit wrote:Just finished PT 46. It was a bit of a more informal test - wasn't scheduled, just wanted to get all my PTs in before the big day, lol. Most notable was the time - I spent about 20 minutes per LR section, lol.

I scored 97 raw, 179 scaled. ELLE WOODS SCORE, boo yah. -1 RC (the very first question lol), -0LR, -1LR, -0LG.

The first two LG games were SO FREAKING EASY I blew through them in 10 minutes, then was so glad because the third was harder and the fourth was killer for me.

For some reason, the LR on this test was just clicking. Like, the answers just like HELLO I AM THE RIGHT ANSWER PICK ME.


I hate you!!! :evil:

I took 46 today and scored a 157. I did well on everything except LR #1. -13!!! That was ridiculous!

I also felt the logic games were easy. I got -4 and all of those came on the last game.

When you take PT's, do you ever question your answers or do you always feel comfortable?

One of the reasons why I did poorly on LR 1 was because I often chose the wrong answer of the two I narrowed down to. This happened for 6 questions. The other ones I got wrong because I didnt read carefully and missed crucial words.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby innuendo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:08 pm

gdane5 wrote:
eit wrote:Just finished PT 46. It was a bit of a more informal test - wasn't scheduled, just wanted to get all my PTs in before the big day, lol. Most notable was the time - I spent about 20 minutes per LR section, lol.

I scored 97 raw, 179 scaled. ELLE WOODS SCORE, boo yah. -1 RC (the very first question lol), -0LR, -1LR, -0LG.

The first two LG games were SO FREAKING EASY I blew through them in 10 minutes, then was so glad because the third was harder and the fourth was killer for me.

For some reason, the LR on this test was just clicking. Like, the answers just like HELLO I AM THE RIGHT ANSWER PICK ME.


I hate you!!! :evil:

I took 46 today and scored a 157. I did well on everything except LR #1. -13!!! That was ridiculous!

I also felt the logic games were easy. I got -4 and all of those came on the last game.

When you take PT's, do you ever question your answers or do you always feel comfortable?

One of the reasons why I did poorly on LR 1 was because I often chose the wrong answer of the two I narrowed down to. This happened for 6 questions. The other ones I got wrong because I didnt read carefully and missed crucial words.



It probably sounds a little facetious, but I really think that you have a great opportunity for review staring at you there. I used to have LR sections where I would randomly miss as many questions as the rest of the test combined. But the nice thing is you have a good sizable sample of the mistakes you're liable to make under pressure. So you can identify the pattern, drill the corrections into your head, and not miss any more.

As an example, I used to miss every single main point question. After reviewing like 20 of them, it started to click with me that the answer to main points is just the conclusion of the argument, every time. You said that you don't miss one type consistently, but I'm guessing that if for 6 questions you narrowed the choices to two, and then picked the wrong one, there is a pattern of mistaken reasoning you can identify and then correct.

I think Eit has a post where she lists the questions for which she articulates answers for every LR she misses. That's a good way to review, I think, and doing it has really helped me learn the LR dance. I think practicing that is where you build LR intuition, and that's where confidence and, eventually, speed come from as well.

Hope it helps; keep trucking.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby gdane » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:12 pm

Thanks for the advice.

I dont miss any one type. Its strange because Ill have one test where I do poorly on assumption questions, but on my next test Ill do well on them, but do poorly on strengthen. Just a general example.

I definitely review and go over everything I do. I ask myself "why did I choose this answer as opposed to this one", "why did I eliminate the right one", etc etc. I feel like Im very close to a breakthrough. I just need to keep working.

I would very much like to see that "guide" where EIT articulates answers for every LR question she misses.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby innuendo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:56 pm

Yea I can't find the original post, but the process is you take an LR question you got wrong and write out in full sentences:
1)Why did I choose this answer?
2)What makes this answer wrong?
3)What makes the right answer different from the one I chose?
4)What makes the right answer right?

If you're like me, you start to figure out pretty quick that on most of the questions you choose incorrectly, you do so because you don't really have a clear idea of what to look for in the credited response. Then you pick an answer without any clear reason, and you get it wrong. Making yourself articulate it though solidifies the process of choosing the credited response under test conditions, and pretty soon you get a feel for what to look for.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby gdane » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:01 pm

innuendo wrote:Yea I can't find the original post, but the process is you take an LR question you got wrong and write out in full sentences:
1)Why did I choose this answer?
2)What makes this answer wrong?
3)What makes the right answer different from the one I chose?
4)What makes the right answer right?

If you're like me, you start to figure out pretty quick that on most of the questions you choose incorrectly, you do so because you don't really have a clear idea of what to look for in the credited response. Then you pick an answer without any clear reason, and you get it wrong. Making yourself articulate it though solidifies the process of choosing the credited response under test conditions, and pretty soon you get a feel for what to look for.


This is what I currently do. Exactly what I do. Haha. Like I said, it seems like for whatever mistakes I fix, new ones pop up. Im telling you though that Im right there. All last week I averaged -5 on all the LR sections I did. This is a huge improvement from where I initially was. Im seeing questions better and I understand what makes an answer choice wrong. I just need to keep working.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Hedwig » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:20 pm

gdane5 wrote:Thanks for the advice.

I dont miss any one type. Its strange because Ill have one test where I do poorly on assumption questions, but on my next test Ill do well on them, but do poorly on strengthen. Just a general example.

I definitely review and go over everything I do. I ask myself "why did I choose this answer as opposed to this one", "why did I eliminate the right one", etc etc. I feel like Im very close to a breakthrough. I just need to keep working.

I would very much like to see that "guide" where EIT articulates answers for every LR question she misses.


I honestly am not 100% sure what he was referring to, except maybe my progress journal. I basically go through each test on there and every question I got wrong, I write a little thing about why I liked what I liked and what I got wrong and what not. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=126458
I also write up a random bit about RC or games or whatever if there's something interesting going on there. Just a quick review type thing that I do.

Also, in response to your original post - I'd say 75% of the time I know my answer is right (or think I know). Then maybe about 15% of the time I have to realllly focus and look at it and try to compare answers and figure out which is the right answer. And then (how much percent do I have left? lol), for the remaining 10% of the time I'll get a weird question that is like OMFG WUT all these choices seem wrong! Like the RC question I got wrong today - I picked an answer that felt wrong because they all felt wrong.

Narrowing down is hard once you've got two contenders. Sometimes this happens to me. If you want, PM me the questions you had two answer choices/chose the wrong one and I can give you my reasons for choosing one over the other? If that wouldn't be helpful, then don't bother, of course. And yeah, I do the "misread crucial words" bit as well too... it's hard doing a test that's like 75% reading and comprehending all straight.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby justadude55 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:20 pm

finally. my first 180. 9/13/10.

98/100 raw score. PT 56.

-1 on RC (my best ever... had been getting -2 wrong for a few weeks. i got a detail question wrong which is upsetting, especially because i spent 12 minutes on the particular passage and questions because i knew it'd be the most difficult)
-1 on LR (it was a question #8 style of arguing question----just thought the right answer choice meant something different than it did.)

i still think there's room for improvement with the 2 questions obviously, and i finished right on time for RC... i've been able to finish all the other sections 5 minutes early which i think is huge because you never know what's gonna happen at the test location, and i don't think as rationally when i know i only have 1 minute left.

right now, my biggest fear are factors partially outside of my control:

1.) sleep the night before 2.) noise distractions 3.) sitting next to someone annoying 4.) bed bugs (theyre prevalent all over, and i do get my high 170s at various libraries, but at a library that was later found to have bed bugs, i scored down in the high 160s which would make a retake a dumb move... i just couldn't concentrate on more convoluted questions.)

i have taken a strict no alcohol, no social night life outside of the gym and no sex vow until after the LSAT, and am glad to see it paying dividends. last time, i did not study too hard, was a male wh*re and still came this close to breaking a 170. i definitely think this will be a more rewarding route :-)

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Hannibal » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:26 pm

I think we might have every potential 180 scorer in the country on this board o.o

Congrats!

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby justadude55 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:26 pm

gdane5 wrote:Thanks for the advice.

I dont miss any one type. Its strange because Ill have one test where I do poorly on assumption questions, but on my next test Ill do well on them, but do poorly on strengthen. Just a general example.

I definitely review and go over everything I do. I ask myself "why did I choose this answer as opposed to this one", "why did I eliminate the right one", etc etc. I feel like Im very close to a breakthrough. I just need to keep working.

I would very much like to see that "guide" where EIT articulates answers for every LR question she misses.


that might be because they rotate what the difficult q types are. the hardest ones are almost always 15-22 (with some exceptions) here and there. you might have a test where all your assumptions are 1-10 or 23-25, and you have an identify the conclusion 15-22. it all depends man. you might need help all over. practice practice practice, and go over what you got wrong. don't beat yourself up over it. you can watch a game while doing it, and think constructively. you'll go up.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby justadude55 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:29 pm

Hannibal wrote:I think we might have every potential 180 scorer in the country on this board o.o

Congrats!


i remember jumping up when i saw i got 26/27 on that last RC, because that's been my only weak section since I started studying again back in mid-August. I was getting -4 to -6. i knew i got the 180, because i grade after each section (otherwise i forget what my initial thought process was in the particular q i got wrong) so i jumped up, and this girl gave me this look like i was the biggest nerd she ever saw. from high school athlete to this? but if i get that 180, it'll be more than worth it.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby northwood » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:18 pm

from high school hero to nerd... my oh my how negatively the l sat can hurt your ego!

ps. for the guy giving up all alcohol and sex.. more power to ya. I hope you dont go crazy over these last few weeks.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby northwood » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:21 pm

since were almost at this time, what is a good plan for October 7,8,9? IS anyone going to take a day off ( besides the day before the test), or start winding down the study time? As of right now, i am thinking about going over my notes from the lrb and lgb and just read them carefully, and do some mind puzzles to keep my mind fresh.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby innuendo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:45 pm

Kicking the booze I can understand, but you're going to have a lot of sexual tension by the morning of the 9th my friend.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby northwood » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:48 pm

perhaps he has a big stack of porn to keep himself busy??

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby innuendo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:53 pm

Logic games are my porn.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby Chris_cpb » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:13 pm

Did some writing sample prep today. I felt like the study materials I'm using recommend a strategy that might not work for me though. I don't generally make an outline before writing essays.

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Re: October 2010 Test Prep

Postby northwood » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:15 pm

why do a writing sample prep? its not graded. Just be able to put together a decent essay in 35 minutes, and make it coherent, and stick to the topic and you are all set.




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