I just realized

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I just realized

Postby myfriendtoldmeimkeen » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:39 pm

Getting really fast at making hypos on logic games is the key to -0/ cash $$$.

Edit: But first comes the right setup fo sho.
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Re: I just realized

Postby Shrimps » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:04 am

I also realized something. Answering all the questions right is the surest way to get 180.

If I could make hypos (i.e. answer plug-and-chug questions) really fast, I wouldn't be here whining about my inability to get even the simplest games (balanced linear) done in under 8 minutes error-free.

So, if you have any suggestions apart from Adderall/cocaine/crystal meth, I'm all ears.

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Re: I just realized

Postby FreeGuy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:16 am

Shrimps wrote:So, if you have any suggestions apart from Adderall/cocaine/crystal meth, I'm all ears.


Speaking of, anyone else psyched about the new season of Breaking Bad in a couple weeks?

Shrimps, to address your question and avoid completely hijacking the thread, here's some advice: create templates whenever possible, and you won't need to draw as many hypos from scratch.

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Re: I just realized

Postby myfriendtoldmeimkeen » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:50 am

Shrimps wrote:I also realized something. Answering all the questions right is the surest way to get 180.

If I could make hypos (i.e. answer plug-and-chug questions) really fast, I wouldn't be here whining about my inability to get even the simplest games (balanced linear) done in under 8 minutes error-free.

So, if you have any suggestions apart from Adderall/cocaine/crystal meth, I'm all ears.


I can't tell if you're serious, but if you are here is some advice that has helped me (and I am by no means an expert/ saying this will work for anybody else): I used to freak out during games, even basic linears. So, I clear my head and make sure I focus (kinda meditate, except I listen to Megadeth so not really) before I study. And when I am going through the tough questions/ games which require hypos, I can usually knock off 2 answers on the questions just by looking at it and by applying the rules to the answer choices. Then, if the answer is not obvious, I go right into hypos using the answer choices to fill in the hypo (this sounds so simple, but I used to waste so much time trying to eliminate more answers by applying the rules, insteading of going into hypos, which made me freak out more). And then now that I've done quite a few, I'm really fast at making hypos. Plus, I always feel hypos are worth while because they often help you later in the game... Most of this is from LGB (which if you don't have, you really need), but I really think focusing/ not freaking out/ not hesitating to go into hypos = $$$. Also, be sure to take a moment and fix the rules in your head as the beginning of the game.

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Re: I just realized

Postby Shrimps » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:16 am

Yeah, good advice, all.

Also, be sure to take a moment and fix the rules in your head as the beginning of the game.


My problem, in addition to being slow, is that I do forget the rules. Made three mistakes in three games just because I forgot about one of the rules (although it was mostly because I was hurrying and did not bother to verify my answers with my setup/rules).

Are there any mental tricks to memorizing the rules, I wonder?

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Re: I just realized

Postby albanach » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:05 am

Accuracy first, then speed. Do early logic games over and over until you get them 100% correct, then do them until you bring down your time, still getting them correct. Finally, move on to newer games. Maybe start at 10 minutes per game and drop your time by 15 seconds per PT until you're in the 8 minute range.

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Re: I just realized

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:58 am

Shrimps wrote:Yeah, good advice, all.

Also, be sure to take a moment and fix the rules in your head as the beginning of the game.


My problem, in addition to being slow, is that I do forget the rules. Made three mistakes in three games just because I forgot about one of the rules (although it was mostly because I was hurrying and did not bother to verify my answers with my setup/rules).

Are there any mental tricks to memorizing the rules, I wonder?


Look up excercises to boost short term memory. Stuff like sudoku depends on you being able to remember things you learned in the short term. Personally I have never had this problem as I rarely need to double check the rules after the initial setup, I only check to make sure, but I usually remember. I think my speed in the LG games comes from that now that you mentioned it.

One little mental trick since I was a little kid competing at math/physics competitions, at least to me, is to read out everything. I actually have a horrible memory, I have to read out everything to remember it. I do this on LR/RC sections as well. It seems that audio signals gets processed better for me. So usually question 1 is the which can be the complete and accurate list ... I would check 1 rule against all 5 questions for comliance, then cross out the wrong one. While I am doing it, I will read out the rule, like "if G, then no K" etc. after the first question is over, they usually stick with me.. Try it and see if reading it out while doing the first game will give you a longer lasting impression of the rules.

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Re: I just realized

Postby jpSartre » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:24 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Shrimps wrote:Yeah, good advice, all.

Also, be sure to take a moment and fix the rules in your head as the beginning of the game.


My problem, in addition to being slow, is that I do forget the rules. Made three mistakes in three games just because I forgot about one of the rules (although it was mostly because I was hurrying and did not bother to verify my answers with my setup/rules).

Are there any mental tricks to memorizing the rules, I wonder?


Look up excercises to boost short term memory. Stuff like sudoku depends on you being able to remember things you learned in the short term. Personally I have never had this problem as I rarely need to double check the rules after the initial setup, I only check to make sure, but I usually remember. I think my speed in the LG games comes from that now that you mentioned it.

One little mental trick since I was a little kid competing at math/physics competitions, at least to me, is to read out everything. I actually have a horrible memory, I have to read out everything to remember it. I do this on LR/RC sections as well. It seems that audio signals gets processed better for me. So usually question 1 is the which can be the complete and accurate list ... I would check 1 rule against all 5 questions for comliance, then cross out the wrong one. While I am doing it, I will read out the rule, like "if G, then no K" etc. after the first question is over, they usually stick with me.. Try it and see if reading it out while doing the first game will give you a longer lasting impression of the rules.


I'll kill you if you're at my test center. Practice like you play people.

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Re: I just realized

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:32 pm

jpSartre wrote:
I'll kill you if you're at my test center. Practice like you play people.


If you can hear me you either have spidy sense or not paying enough attention to your test. I didn't say read out loud.

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Re: I just realized

Postby blhblahblah » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:53 pm

r6_philly wrote:
jpSartre wrote:
I'll kill you if you're at my test center. Practice like you play people.


If you can hear me you either have spidy sense or not paying enough attention to your test. I didn't say read out loud.


Then what do you do? Lip-sync?

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Re: I just realized

Postby r6_philly » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:04 pm

blhblahblah wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
jpSartre wrote:
I'll kill you if you're at my test center. Practice like you play people.


If you can hear me you either have spidy sense or not paying enough attention to your test. I didn't say read out loud.


Then what do you do? Lip-sync?


I can't be the only person who can whisper without making any noticable external sounds? It is not quite lip sync, you can go through the motions of talking without utilizing the vocal cord. Unless that is the definition of lip sync. I frequently talk to myself to aid my thinking, perhaps I practiced well?

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Re: I just realized

Postby blhblahblah » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:41 pm

r6_philly wrote:
blhblahblah wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
jpSartre wrote:
I'll kill you if you're at my test center. Practice like you play people.


If you can hear me you either have spidy sense or not paying enough attention to your test. I didn't say read out loud.


Then what do you do? Lip-sync?


I can't be the only person who can whisper without making any noticable external sounds? It is not quite lip sync, you can go through the motions of talking without utilizing the vocal cord. Unless that is the definition of lip sync. I frequently talk to myself to aid my thinking, perhaps I practiced well?



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