HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! f**king formal logic

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HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! f**king formal logic

Postby thewolfandpeter » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:05 pm

Heres an LR question that I think indicates the above....with the exception of instead of being not X its not greater than X


There is little point in looking to artists for insights into political issues. Most of them hold political views that are less insightful than those of any reasonably well educated person who is not an artist. Indeed, when taken as a whole, the statements made by artists, including those considered to be great, indicate that artistic talent and political insight are rarely found together.

Which of the following must be true.



TCR: Some artists are no less politically insightful than some reasonably well educated person who are not artists.

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby thewolfandpeter » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:11 pm

thewolfandpeter wrote:Heres an LR question that I think indicates the above....with the exception of instead of being not X its not greater than X


There is little point in looking to artists for insights into political issues. Most of them hold political views that are less insightful than those of any reasonably well educated person who is not an artist. Indeed, when taken as a whole, the statements made by artists, including those considered to be great, indicate that artistic talent and political insight are rarely found together.

Which of the following must be true.



TCR: Some artists are no less politically insightful than some reasonably well educated person who are not artists.


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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby deathviaboredom » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:16 pm

thewolfandpeter wrote:
thewolfandpeter wrote:Heres an LR question that I think indicates the above....with the exception of instead of being not X its not greater than X


There is little point in looking to artists for insights into political issues. Most of them hold political views that are less insightful than those of any reasonably well educated person who is not an artist. Indeed, when taken as a whole, the statements made by artists, including those considered to be great, indicate that artistic talent and political insight are rarely found together.

Which of the following must be true.



TCR: Some artists are no less politically insightful than some reasonably well educated person who are not artists.


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What were the other (wrong) answers?

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby deathviaboredom » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:17 pm

Ack. LR.
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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby thewolfandpeter » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:26 pm

I was taught by testmasters that "most statement" does not imply "some are not"

that is the logic you just used....someone has to be wrong...either testmasters or lsac. wtf is going on?

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby WellNow » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:42 pm

I think the catch is that the "most" answer says "non-artists" rather than reasonably well educated persons, which is the category of persons the prompt refers to. Therefore, while most artists may be less insightful than "reasonably well educated persons", it is not necessarily true that artists are less insightful than the population as a whole excluding artists.

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby chewdak » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:46 pm

thewolfandpeter wrote:I was taught by testmasters that "most statement" does not imply "some are not"

that is the logic you just used....someone has to be wrong...either testmasters or lsac. wtf is going on?

According to the LR Bible (p.307) "The word 'most' can be defined as majority, possibly all".

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby ps494 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:51 pm

I wouldn't stress out about formal logic because of how rare it is. I don't even know it is worth studying.

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:11 am

deathviaboredom wrote:
deathviaboredom wrote:
thewolfandpeter wrote:
thewolfandpeter wrote:Heres an LR question that I think indicates the above....with the exception of instead of being not X its not greater than X


There is little point in looking to artists for insights into political issues. Most of them hold political views that are less insightful than those of any reasonably well educated person who is not an artist. Indeed, when taken as a whole, the statements made by artists, including those considered to be great, indicate that artistic talent and political insight are rarely found together.

Which of the following must be true.



TCR: Some artists are no less politically insightful than some reasonably well educated person who are not artists.


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What were the other (wrong) answers?



Most (but not all) artists have Less insightful views than non-artists.
Artists, in general, rarely show political insight.

Answer: Some (at least one) artists are just as or more (not less) politically insightful than some non-artists.

I think the key is that if most artist are complete dunderheads andarent insightful at all, there will be one or two (a minority) who arent complete dunderheads and are not any less insightful.

does that make sense at all?


If you wrote the other answers out correctly, then the first provided is wrong b/c it distorts the stimulus (just says insightful views, rather than political insights). The second is wrong because it goes too far. All we know is most artists show less insight political insight than non-artists AND all their statements combined rarely show political insight (so this could mean 51% of artists could be saying A LOT of statements (in comparison to the other 49%) that show no political insight).

Is this "most strongly supported" by the stimulus type of question? Then it makes since "most x" does imply "some not x". If it's MBT things are a bit stickier though.

If you PM me the whole question and all the answers I can try to give you a better response.

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby tikiman6 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:15 pm

Actually, the artists could have more insightful views than most non artists. However, most artists have less insightful views than any reasonably well educated non-artists. Since most is used, there has to be some overlap between the group of artists with less insightful views, and reasonably well educated non-artists, leaving you with the fact than there must be at least one(some) artist with less insightful views than at least one(some) reasonably well educated non-artist.

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby chewdak » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:30 pm

It boils down to how you define "most".
Is this a real LSAT question?

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby Cambridge LSAT » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:47 pm

PT 2, LA (section 2), #24.

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby chewdak » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:37 pm

Cambridge LSAT wrote:PT 2, LA (section 2), #24.

Thank you.
(E) is clearly the best answer choice.
It requires interpreting "most" as "majority, but not all", not as "majority, and possibly all" from the PowerScore LR Bible.
Are there other, maybe more recent, examples of this interpretation?

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Re: HELP ME WITH THIS LR!!!!! fucking formal logic

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:45 pm

chewdak wrote:
Cambridge LSAT wrote:PT 2, LA (section 2), #24.

Thank you.
(E) is clearly the best answer choice.
It requires interpreting "most" as "majority, but not all", not as "majority, and possibly all" from the PowerScore LR Bible.
Are there other, maybe more recent, examples of this interpretation?


I'll be on the lookout for it, but I don't think this happens anymore (unless it's one of the most recent examples of "most strongly supported" Q's that don't quite fit the mold of MBT).




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