Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all) Forum
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another benefit to the underlining method is that it forces you to interact with the passage. it keeps you focused.
it can't be emphasized enough that excessive underlining will yield no benefit.
it can't be emphasized enough that excessive underlining will yield no benefit.
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
Since you quoted me, I must ask where did I indicate that I was attempting to "refute" your fantastic underlining method? Seriously, I’m not interested in refuting your profoundly secret method for RC. I'm only trying to offer advice to the OP.studylaw7 wrote: I'm not taking it personally, my replies are blunt but I'm perfectly calm. But I do think that my method is correct and that attempts to refute the underlining method are not sound. In a 55-60 lined passage, you think forgetting where you saw a name, date or title, means you didn't comprehend the passage properly? I don't think that's legitimate...
Claiming…
I'd be willing to bet, the guys offering the advice have a better handle on how score high than you could hope to get on an untimed PT. But like I've said continually, there is no right and wrong way. But to say that NOT underlining is foolish is not only counter to your point but childishly hypocritical. It worked for me, it work for the other guy, and it may work for the OP. Why the fuck are you so stuck on it?for the lsat, not doing so [underlining]is just foolish
Could help?!?! What are you going to read? The line? My reasoning is that if you know exactly where to look for the line, then you do not need to underline it. Do you use a special pencil with a homing device that magically directs you to the relevant text?? How is this difficult for you to grasp?Underlining key terms could help prevent you from re-reading.
Most importantly, which you've utterly failed to grasp, is that the OP asked for advice on how to improve HIS reading comp. If you don't like the advice, don't use it. But why clutter up the thread with your childish insecurities? In fact, since you're such a proponent of underlining words that you cannot recall in a 60 line passage, start a fucking thread about the wonders of underlining. You won’t find me hijacking it over nonsense.
And, yes, I do believe that if you cannot recall where a MAJOR piece of the passage is located within 60 lines, or better yet, a 400 word passage, then you've got a long and hard future, if you get into law school. Like I have said what seems like 40 times already, I'm not an expert at reading comp, but I can remember where to find pertinent information. If you cannot, then you, in my opinion, do not comprehend the overall message of the passage. Jeez, it’s reading not neurosurgery.
Look, just because you're preparing to take the LSAT, do not start trying to playing lawyer quite yet…
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
yea, i don't think just reading the passage straight is the best strategy (at least not for me), since then i'll have to go back and re-read even more than usual, could eats more time than if i just underlined sparingly in the process
i'm pretty sure that some--if not most--of my difficulties with RC has to do with comfortability, so i guess that my best strategy for the moment is to only slightly tinker with what i do on each passage, but to just do as many of the old RC sections as possible and just get more of a feel
LR is much easier to get comfortable with, since there's 2 LR sections in each PT. However, there's only 1 RC section in each PT obviously, so there's nowhere near 700 RC sections, lol..
however, i think i started with the (technically) 3rd book of 10 (PTs 29-38) with my RC practice, so I should try to find my other book of 10 (19-28) and maybe even buy the first book of 10 until I get completely comfortable with RC..
i'm pretty sure that some--if not most--of my difficulties with RC has to do with comfortability, so i guess that my best strategy for the moment is to only slightly tinker with what i do on each passage, but to just do as many of the old RC sections as possible and just get more of a feel
LR is much easier to get comfortable with, since there's 2 LR sections in each PT. However, there's only 1 RC section in each PT obviously, so there's nowhere near 700 RC sections, lol..
however, i think i started with the (technically) 3rd book of 10 (PTs 29-38) with my RC practice, so I should try to find my other book of 10 (19-28) and maybe even buy the first book of 10 until I get completely comfortable with RC..
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
I think I said it earlier, treat them like logic games, repeat, repeat, repeat. They too have a similar pattern. Once you begin to see that the same types of questions are asked predictably and repeatedly, it becomes easier to determine where in the passage it might be found.
Forgoing notations is definitely NOT for everyone, but I suggest trying several different methods. However, once you find one that works, never deviate from it and practice it until your eyes bleed. You'll get the score you need for the schools in your name.
Repetition and speed (and sleepless nights) is what did it for me. Also, trying doing them when you feel like crap or have not had enough sleep, hangover, or whatever, I mistakenly focused on testing with optimal conditions, which gave the thrilling opportunity to repeat. More likely than not, you're not going to get perfect conditions. The 177->180 thread has some great tips about picking up extra seconds. I cannot believe I had not heard about using dull pencils.
Forgoing notations is definitely NOT for everyone, but I suggest trying several different methods. However, once you find one that works, never deviate from it and practice it until your eyes bleed. You'll get the score you need for the schools in your name.
Repetition and speed (and sleepless nights) is what did it for me. Also, trying doing them when you feel like crap or have not had enough sleep, hangover, or whatever, I mistakenly focused on testing with optimal conditions, which gave the thrilling opportunity to repeat. More likely than not, you're not going to get perfect conditions. The 177->180 thread has some great tips about picking up extra seconds. I cannot believe I had not heard about using dull pencils.
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
Sounds like a decent strategy. However, be aware that many people say the RC has gotten harder recently. Also, in the last couple of years a comparative reading passage has been added to each section. Make sure you get all of the recent sections - although you may want to save many/most recent forms for use as PTs.PrayingforHYS wrote:yea, i don't think just reading the passage straight is the best strategy (at least not for me), since then i'll have to go back and re-read even more than usual, could eats more time than if i just underlined sparingly in the process
i'm pretty sure that some--if not most--of my difficulties with RC has to do with comfortability, so i guess that my best strategy for the moment is to only slightly tinker with what i do on each passage, but to just do as many of the old RC sections as possible and just get more of a feel
LR is much easier to get comfortable with, since there's 2 LR sections in each PT. However, there's only 1 RC section in each PT obviously, so there's nowhere near 700 RC sections, lol..
however, i think i started with the (technically) 3rd book of 10 (PTs 29-38) with my RC practice, so I should try to find my other book of 10 (19-28) and maybe even buy the first book of 10 until I get completely comfortable with RC..
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
the worst is the type that says, "the passage answers all of the following q's except" or "all can be inferred from the passage EXCEPT:"
that question is bad enough when you're searching for just one detail, without the except: but to have to go back and locate 4?!?! even when you locate one, you're not always sure because it's been rephrased to where it seems like a different meaning at times. not to mention when they do this on a scientific passage- I already barely get what's going on.
I've pretty much given up on this section. If I can limit my losses to -6 or better on RC and nearly perfect LR and LG (which I pretty much have) I'll be alright.
that question is bad enough when you're searching for just one detail, without the except: but to have to go back and locate 4?!?! even when you locate one, you're not always sure because it's been rephrased to where it seems like a different meaning at times. not to mention when they do this on a scientific passage- I already barely get what's going on.
I've pretty much given up on this section. If I can limit my losses to -6 or better on RC and nearly perfect LR and LG (which I pretty much have) I'll be alright.
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
that's an interesting take -- a lot of people that i've spoken with actually believe that the addition of a comparative reading passage has made RC easier. The only experience I have with comparable passages is in the RC bible, but regardless of the topic, the comparative passages seemed more interesting, and the questions easier as a result of that.. (if that's not a thread, i'd like to make one to see if ppl think the past or current RC sections are harder)Woozy wrote:Sounds like a decent strategy. However, be aware that many people say the RC has gotten harder recently. Also, in the last couple of years a comparative reading passage has been added to each section. Make sure you get all of the recent sections - although you may want to save many/most recent forms for use as PTs.PrayingforHYS wrote:yea, i don't think just reading the passage straight is the best strategy (at least not for me), since then i'll have to go back and re-read even more than usual, could eats more time than if i just underlined sparingly in the process
i'm pretty sure that some--if not most--of my difficulties with RC has to do with comfortability, so i guess that my best strategy for the moment is to only slightly tinker with what i do on each passage, but to just do as many of the old RC sections as possible and just get more of a feel
LR is much easier to get comfortable with, since there's 2 LR sections in each PT. However, there's only 1 RC section in each PT obviously, so there's nowhere near 700 RC sections, lol..
however, i think i started with the (technically) 3rd book of 10 (PTs 29-38) with my RC practice, so I should try to find my other book of 10 (19-28) and maybe even buy the first book of 10 until I get completely comfortable with RC..
Regardless, I think that, yes, more familiarity with the section will make me more comfortable with their style, passages, question types, etc. While my current RC scores can range from -3 to a spike of -8/-9 (I've been missing more RC questions lately maybe just b/c I'm getting frustrated), I'd say that my average is probably around -5, maybe between -5 and -6...idk, but on test day, I want to limit my RC misses to -3 at a maximum, so I guess I'll just keep doing lots of RC practice, maybe fiddling slightly with my style and seeing how I go from there
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I'm not saying I agree that it's gotten harder - I really haven't done enough to compare. I've just seen plenty of people say it has. However, for all sections it behooves you to get plenty of experience with all the most recent tests.PrayingforHYS wrote:that's an interesting take -- a lot of people that i've spoken with actually believe that the addition of a comparative reading passage has made RC easier. The only experience I have with comparable passages is in the RC bible, but regardless of the topic, the comparative passages seemed more interesting, and the questions easier as a result of that.. (if that's not a thread, i'd like to make one to see if ppl think the past or current RC sections are harder)Woozy wrote:Sounds like a decent strategy. However, be aware that many people say the RC has gotten harder recently. Also, in the last couple of years a comparative reading passage has been added to each section. Make sure you get all of the recent sections - although you may want to save many/most recent forms for use as PTs.PrayingforHYS wrote:yea, i don't think just reading the passage straight is the best strategy (at least not for me), since then i'll have to go back and re-read even more than usual, could eats more time than if i just underlined sparingly in the process
i'm pretty sure that some--if not most--of my difficulties with RC has to do with comfortability, so i guess that my best strategy for the moment is to only slightly tinker with what i do on each passage, but to just do as many of the old RC sections as possible and just get more of a feel
LR is much easier to get comfortable with, since there's 2 LR sections in each PT. However, there's only 1 RC section in each PT obviously, so there's nowhere near 700 RC sections, lol..
however, i think i started with the (technically) 3rd book of 10 (PTs 29-38) with my RC practice, so I should try to find my other book of 10 (19-28) and maybe even buy the first book of 10 until I get completely comfortable with RC..
Regardless, I think that, yes, more familiarity with the section will make me more comfortable with their style, passages, question types, etc. While my current RC scores can range from -3 to a spike of -8/-9 (I've been missing more RC questions lately maybe just b/c I'm getting frustrated), I'd say that my average is probably around -5, maybe between -5 and -6...idk, but on test day, I want to limit my RC misses to -3 at a maximum, so I guess I'll just keep doing lots of RC practice, maybe fiddling slightly with my style and seeing how I go from there
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
i like margin notes. but usually i restrict it to a single abbreviated word.studylaw7 wrote: No need to make margin notes..I think that is a big waste of time. Make these two changes and see how you do.
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personally, i've found that sometimes in this situation, the best thing to do is to look back at the first line. often, three answers are easily eliminated while the fourth can be eliminated from the first sentence. lsac can be a bunch of tricky bastards.klussy wrote: "all can be inferred from the passage EXCEPT:"
this is the right attitude, in my opinion.geostuck wrote:I think I said it earlier, treat them like logic games, repeat, repeat, repeat. They too have a similar pattern. Once you begin to see that the same types of questions are asked predictably and repeatedly, it becomes easier to determine where in the passage it might be found.
Forgoing notations is definitely NOT for everyone, but I suggest trying several different methods. However, once you find one that works, never deviate from it and practice it until your eyes bleed. You'll get the score you need for the schools in your name.
Repetition and speed (and sleepless nights) is what did it for me. Also, trying doing them when you feel like crap or have not had enough sleep, hangover, or whatever, I mistakenly focused on testing with optimal conditions, which gave the thrilling opportunity to repeat. More likely than not, you're not going to get perfect conditions. The 177->180 thread has some great tips about picking up extra seconds. I cannot believe I had not heard about using dull pencils.
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Re: Ughhh, help with RC strategies...PLEASE (any and all)
geostuck wrote:Since you quoted me, I must ask where did I indicate that I was attempting to "refute" your fantastic underlining method? Seriously, I’m not interested in refuting your profoundly secret method for RC. I'm only trying to offer advice to the OP.studylaw7 wrote: I'm not taking it personally, my replies are blunt but I'm perfectly calm. But I do think that my method is correct and that attempts to refute the underlining method are not sound. In a 55-60 lined passage, you think forgetting where you saw a name, date or title, means you didn't comprehend the passage properly? I don't think that's legitimate...
Claiming…I'd be willing to bet, the guys offering the advice have a better handle on how score high than you could hope to get on an untimed PT. But like I've said continually, there is no right and wrong way. But to say that NOT underlining is foolish is not only counter to your point but childishly hypocritical. It worked for me, it work for the other guy, and it may work for the OP. Why the fuck are you so stuck on it?for the lsat, not doing so [underlining]is just foolishCould help?!?! What are you going to read? The line? My reasoning is that if you know exactly where to look for the line, then you do not need to underline it. Do you use a special pencil with a homing device that magically directs you to the relevant text?? How is this difficult for you to grasp?Underlining key terms could help prevent you from re-reading.
Most importantly, which you've utterly failed to grasp, is that the OP asked for advice on how to improve HIS reading comp. If you don't like the advice, don't use it. But why clutter up the thread with your childish insecurities? In fact, since you're such a proponent of underlining words that you cannot recall in a 60 line passage, start a fucking thread about the wonders of underlining. You won’t find me hijacking it over nonsense.
And, yes, I do believe that if you cannot recall where a MAJOR piece of the passage is located within 60 lines, or better yet, a 400 word passage, then you've got a long and hard future, if you get into law school. Like I have said what seems like 40 times already, I'm not an expert at reading comp, but I can remember where to find pertinent information. If you cannot, then you, in my opinion, do not comprehend the overall message of the passage. Jeez, it’s reading not neurosurgery.
Look, just because you're preparing to take the LSAT, do not start trying to playing lawyer quite yet…
Wow, look at this wonderful post. You're taking it far more personally than I am, bud. I suggest you take it easy.
If you must know, I am scheduled to attend a T14 in the fall. And I also have a high LSAT score.
My point is that if people are struggling with reading comprehension at all, underlining is a very good idea. And if you're not a RC guru, which you yourself have said, then underlining could help very much. And if you are one of those people that does not know what to underline, I doubt you are a very good reader.
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