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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby MichelFoucault » Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:32 am

Bloggr

What did you major in?

How many practice tests have you taken?

How do you do on the logical reasoning sections?

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby tomwatts » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:07 pm

Congrats! I hope my "focus on accuracy" post helped. Good luck with apps!

Er, people on TLS might still attack a score of 150, but as long as you know what you're getting into as far as a Tier 2 or Tier 3 law school, don't listen to them being annoying.

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby polevaulter » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:41 pm

Bloggr22 wrote:I am back after a year. I retook the LSAT and got a 150 (I jumped from a 142). With my GPA of 3.75, I will make it into a reputable law school after all. To hell with all the naysayers on TLS.

If you all want more background on my issue from Dec 2009, read back to the original post.


Glad to hear that you made it. Good luck in your future :)

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby Firework11 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:47 pm

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jcl2 wrote:OP, is English your second language? Clearly you are fluent and have been speaking it a long time, but even so, if it is not your native tongue that could be what is slowing you down.


Yes, English is my second language. And you are right, I have been speaking it for a long time...for as long as I can remember. I am also a fluent speaker of an African dialect. Although I do not like making excuses for myself, I have also been thinking about that factor and it may be slowing me down as you mentioned. Thank you for your advice.

June LSAT and 2011 cycle here I come.
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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby Firework11 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:53 pm

Bloggr22 wrote:I am back after a year. I retook the LSAT and got a 150 (I jumped from a 142). With my GPA of 3.75, I will make it into a reputable law school after all. To hell with all the naysayers on TLS.

If you all want more background on my issue from Dec 2009, read back to the original post.


Congrats!

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby Firework11 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:56 pm

tomwatts wrote:Congrats! I hope my "focus on accuracy" post helped. Good luck with apps!

Er, people on TLS might still attack a score of 150, but as long as you know what you're getting into as far as a Tier 2 or Tier 3 law school, don't listen to them being annoying.


+1

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby Firework11 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:58 pm

this is true. English is my third and I came to the U.S. much later than you did. 143 or a 147 (don't recall) was my first diagnostic. Right now I'm PTing in upper 160s/lower 170s.

Yes we can.

ETA: you can have a school grant you the permission to take it the 4th time. Don't give up, you can easily be in the lower 160s by the June test if you start now.[/quote]

What are you preping with?

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby r6_philly » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:04 am

Bloggr22 wrote:I'M BACK!!!!

I was admitted to Samford University, UDC, and U of Maryland (with $22,500)! I am wait-listed at Richmond and at George Mason Law. I was also selected to participate in Mason's summer trial program which will automatically give me admission into their entering class without having to gamble on the wait-list. It starts next week.

As of now, I put down my deposit for UMD Law, but will still do GMU's summer trial program. GMU was my top choice so it's worth the try.

This goes out to all those classless people on this website who didn't think I could do it.

I gained admission into a top 40 school! Be more supportive instead of discouraging.

See ya in the courtroom!


Awesome! Congrats!

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby taxguy » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:18 am

Space_Cowboy wrote:
Bloggr22 wrote:
chadwick218 wrote: Have you considered enrolling in a prep class?


Surprisingly, I took a PowerScore prep course before the Dec test from July-Sept. It was helpful, but I guess I went back to prepping the wrong way after the prep course ended *sighs*


Dude, I would really think twice about a career in law. Assuming you took the prep course seriously, a 142 seems to suggest real issues. Of the 125k unique test takers last year, there were only 85k unique applicants. A 142 is probably close to worst score among the people who end up applying. If law school was cheap, I'd say try it for a year and drop out.

Obviously give it your best shot if this is the career you want. You owe it to yourself. However, sometimes our talents don't line up with our desires. I would have loved to have been a scientist, but I realized I wasn't Rainman.

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Response; Sigh, I wasn't going to post on these forums due to the folks that are here,but I just felt that you could use the help.I will say this again for the tenth time, the LSAT doesn't have anything to do with how good a lawyer you will become. In fact, even the corelation between the LSAT and law school performance , according to the LSAC,which I don't trust, is anywhere between a .09 and a .45, where 1.0 is a perfect corelation.

Sadly,however, my experience has been that the LSAT counts for about 60-70% of admission. If you did that badly, You won't even get into the rock bottom law schools. You would need at least a 146 and preferably 150+ For even a mediocre school. My suggestion is to study the Testmaster Powerscore bibles thoroughly. Take at least 15 actual LSATs. Start subscribing to top academic magazines so you can get accustomed to reading dense material. A good college library as well as a knowledgable librarian can be your friends here. Go to the LSAT forums here,which are actually pretty good with some of their advice. If you have the money, getting some personal tutoring after you do all this work might be of help.
One final point. I don't know if your college has a law school. I have seen students with LSAT averages way below the median for the law school get admitted if they attended that college as an undergrad and had a fabulous GPA from that school. Moreover, getting recommendations from department heads and noted faculty does have some more clout than from people that the law school many not know.If you can, meet with the law school deans and admission folks. Establishing a relationship certainly can't hurt. This happened with a guy from University of Maryland who had an LSAT of 149 but graduated with a 3.9 from Maryland. He actually got admitted to the law school, to everyone's surprise, and graduated in the top 2% of the law school class.
I don't guarantee that this same result will happen to you,but applying to the same law school that you did well as an undergrad, can only cost you the admission fee.

Finally some schools such as Ohio Northern and others will offer an alternative admission program for students with high GPAs and lower than median LSATs. You might want to check out what schools offer these programs. However, even with these programs, you still have to have LSATs within 5 or 6 points of their medians. Also these alternative programs, while being fabulous preparation for law school, are VERY, VERY demanding. YOu can expect to put in 13 hours a day plus class time with maybe a 30% chance of admission. However, the traning that you will get will set you light years ahead of everyone else in the first year law class.
I wish you lots of luck.
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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby Muenchen » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:19 am

Saw a taxguy post. Ran here.

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby Ginj » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:22 am

Muenchen wrote:Saw a taxguy post. Ran here.


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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby bjsesq » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:23 am

Muenchen wrote:Saw a taxguy post. Ran here.

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby taxguy » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:49 pm

CongratsBloggr, I am glad that you didn't let the naysayers dissuade you from pursuing your goal. Enjoy the George Mason summer program. Although it is EXTREMELY tough, you will find that it will give you skills that will place you among the top law students in your first year class, especially if you do well in it. Expect to work about 12 hours a day plus class time. You will get the skills that will put you light years ahead of other kids in the first year class and will enable you to transfer to an even better school with some hard work.

I am glad to hear that Mason finally recognizes that the LSAT isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Congrats to you.

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby Ginj » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:09 pm

taxguy wrote:CongratsBloggr, I am glad that you didn't let the naysayers dissuade you from pursuing your goal. Enjoy the George Mason summer program. Although it is EXTREMELY tough, you will find that it will give you skills that will place you among the top law students in your first year class, especially if you do well in it. Expect to work about 12 hours a day plus class time. You will get the skills that will put you light years ahead of other kids in the first year class and will enable you to transfer to an even better school with some hard work.

I am glad to hear that Mason finally recognizes that the LSAT isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Congrats to you.


LSAT ZING. Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby paratactical » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:34 pm

bjsesq wrote:
Muenchen wrote:Saw a taxguy post. Ran here.


Also, I don't get the naysayer crap. Considering the LSAT scores, this thread was overwhelmingly positive and nice.

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby bjsesq » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:36 pm

paratactical wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Muenchen wrote:Saw a taxguy post. Ran here.


Also, I don't get the naysayer crap. Considering the LSAT scores, this thread was overwhelmingly positive and nice.


LSAT scores don't mean dick. Haven't you paid attention to taxguy? He's got a son who has gone through this, you know.

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby taxguy » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:37 pm

bjsesq wrote:
paratactical wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Muenchen wrote:Saw a taxguy post. Ran here.


Also, I don't get the naysayer crap. Considering the LSAT scores, this thread was overwhelmingly positive and nice.


LSAT scores don't mean dick. Haven't you paid attention to taxguy? He's got a son who has gone through this, you know.


If you are going to quote me, at least do me the favor of doing it correctly. I never said that LSAT scores are meaningless. In fact, to the contrary, I have always said and felt that they are crucial for admission. What I also said is that they shouldn't be used as strongly as they are currently being used.

Remember this day. You will see within the next few years that the LSAT will either change or be downplayed a bit in admission at some law schools. In fact, I would bet that US News will adjust their rankings to downplay the importance of the LSAT in the rankings. I don't think it will be eliminated, but I would bet that as a factor, it will be decreased.

Moreover, I will make another prediction. The success for alternative summer admission programs has proven so overwhelmingly successful that more and more law schools will eventually implement them into their admission instead of large numbers of waitlisted applicants. First, these candidates that do well in the summer program usually are among the top students in the law school. The weeding out process has been amazingly successful. Don't just take my word either. Ask kids at schools that have these programs. Secondly, these programs can be big money makers since they only admit 50% of the kids or less.
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Re: Very Low LSAT Score, High Hopes

Postby bjsesq » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:41 pm

taxguy wrote:If you are going to quote me, at least do me the favor of doing it correctly. I never said that LSAT scores are meaningless. In fact, to the contrary, I have always said and felt that they are crucial for admission. What I also said is that they shouldn't be used as strongly as they are currently being used.

Remember this day. You will see within the next few years that the LSAT will either change or be downplayed a bit in admission at some law schools. In fact, I would bet that US News will adjust their rankings to downplay the importance of the LSAT in the rankings. I don't think it will be eliminated, but I would bet that as a factor, it will be decreased.


You want to believe this because your boy got a shit score. I get that. I'm curious as to what you believe would have better predictive capacity as to eventual success as an attorney. Is it networking skills? How would schools meaningfully determine such things, given the number of apps they have to deal with every year. Go on. I'll wait.




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