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Re: Two New York Lawyers Arrested for Molotov Attack on Police in Brooklyn
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:30 pm
by LBJ's Hair
objctnyrhnr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:11 am
So maybe I wasn’t clear enough on the question. Yes, black people get fatally shot at 2.5 the rate of others per your source data. But this data doesn’t adjust for violent crime rate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an ... statistics
Black Americans in 2008 were also responsible for over 6 times the murder of their population representation and over 8 times for burglary.
Logically, notwithstanding any race-based animus, wouldn’t one expect a population that is disproportionately charged with violent crime to also be disproportionately involved in altercations with the police that turn violent?
Put another way: would the reason that police might draw their guns far more often in high crime urban area X with a large black population relative to low crime suburban area Y with a large white population be caused by the fact that they are racist...or maybe because the violent crime rate is much higher in area x?
I’m just saying where is the data that adjusts for these facts? Seems that many are automatically assume racism is the cause—and certainly it’s quite possible that it factors in—but I’m just not sure the data when taken in the aggregate necessarily proves it.
Just because a difference in race might correlate with the difference that those sources highlight, it obviously doesn’t automatically follow that the racial difference is the cause (lsat logic and all that).
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upsh ... tings.html
Obviously draw your own conclusions, more research is necessary, etc. But Roland Fryer is black, won the Bates medal, etc. This study isn't conservative agitprop.
Re: Two New York Lawyers Arrested for Molotov Attack on Police in Brooklyn
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:56 pm
by objctnyrhnr
LBJ's Hair wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:30 pm
objctnyrhnr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:11 am
So maybe I wasn’t clear enough on the question. Yes, black people get fatally shot at 2.5 the rate of others per your source data. But this data doesn’t adjust for violent crime rate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an ... statistics
Black Americans in 2008 were also responsible for over 6 times the murder of their population representation and over 8 times for burglary.
Logically, notwithstanding any race-based animus, wouldn’t one expect a population that is disproportionately charged with violent crime to also be disproportionately involved in altercations with the police that turn violent?
Put another way: would the reason that police might draw their guns far more often in high crime urban area X with a large black population relative to low crime suburban area Y with a large white population be caused by the fact that they are racist...or maybe because the violent crime rate is much higher in area x?
I’m just saying where is the data that adjusts for these facts? Seems that many are automatically assume racism is the cause—and certainly it’s quite possible that it factors in—but I’m just not sure the data when taken in the aggregate necessarily proves it.
Just because a difference in race might correlate with the difference that those sources highlight, it obviously doesn’t automatically follow that the racial difference is the cause (lsat logic and all that).
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upsh ... tings.html
Obviously draw your own conclusions, more research is necessary, etc. But Roland Fryer is black, won the Bates medal, etc. This study isn't conservative agitprop.
Thanks for that link. Confirms what I was seeing on my back of napkin analysis, with respect to data on shootings.
Re: Two New York Lawyers Arrested for Molotov Attack on Police in Brooklyn
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:46 am
by obamalaw
Just curious if anyone on here knows what happened to them. I hate to think two young lawyers ruined their entire life over emotionally-driven impulses.
Re: Two New York Lawyers Arrested for Molotov Attack on Police in Brooklyn
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:43 pm
by Wild Card
obamalaw wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:46 am
Just curious if anyone on here knows what happened to them. I hate to think two young lawyers ruined their entire life over emotionally-driven impulses.
I think they made a rational and informed decision that they had nothing left to live for.
Read about their backgrounds and their personal tragedies. Notably, one was stealthed by a second-rate biglaw firm and then furloughed by a midlaw firm. The other never even held a job after graduating from a perfectly respectable law school. One lost the grandmother who had singlehandedly raised him, the other lost her father.
Imagine all of that on top of owing $300,000 at 7% interest, with no expectation that you'll ever work as a lawyer, or get any job that will help you pay that off.
Re: Two New York Lawyers Arrested for Molotov Attack on Police in Brooklyn
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:56 pm
by nixy
Your narrative is amusing, but not based in reality. The woman worked for Bronx Legal Services. You don't know that the man was stealthed (although certainly he was later furloughed), or what either of their debt situations were.
In any case, according to google, they're still negotiating a plea, as of April 1.