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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby AtticusFinch » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:05 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:Atticus, where do you attend law school?


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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:11 pm

AtticusFinch wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:Atticus, where do you attend law school?


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Ah, nice. Is there a competitive atmosphere among the students?

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby AtticusFinch » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:12 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:
AtticusFinch wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:Atticus, where do you attend law school?


CLS


Ah, nice. Is there a competitive atmosphere among the students?


Not at all.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby revolution724 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:18 pm

Aeon wrote:The impression that I get is that "gunner" is often used excessively as a pejorative of some kind among law students for people they don't like. I also suspect that the incidence of true gunners in law school is much less than claimed.


I think it's a "there's one in every section" sort of thing. We definitely have one particular notoriously douchey guy in our section who has something to say for every single question any professor asks, right, wrong, or bizarre, and who likes to attempt to correct the profs all the time, too. That's a gunner, imo.

A gunner who ends up in the bottom of the class makes me want to make all sorts of nerdy 1L jokes about attempted gunning and failure due to factual impossibility.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:20 pm

revolution724 wrote:
Aeon wrote:The impression that I get is that "gunner" is often used excessively as a pejorative of some kind among law students for people they don't like. I also suspect that the incidence of true gunners in law school is much less than claimed.


I think it's a "there's one in every section" sort of thing. We definitely have one particular notoriously douchey guy in our section who has something to say for every single question any professor asks, right, wrong, or bizarre, and who likes to attempt to correct the profs all the time, too. That's a gunner, imo.

A gunner who ends up in the bottom of the class makes me want to make all sorts of nerdy 1L jokes about attempted gunning and failure due to factual impossibility.


I would agree with your characterization of the described douche as a gunner.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:30 pm

Really stupid question here. Completely different topic, but rather than start a pointless thread I'll simply derail my own.

I'm prepping for a final in an undergraduate class called "Introduction to Law and Legal Studies" (part of the way I chose to spend my year off was to handpick three classes at my local state school that sounded relevant or interesting; cue gunner jokes).

The study guide says: "Describe the legal function or task of a trial court? What two determinations does a trial court have to make in order to carry out its task?"

When we went over the study guide last class, the prof stressed that this question on the exam would be "very straight-forward." With this prof, it's not really fundamental comprehension or thinking ability that gets you by, it's how well you recall and regurgitate magical keywords uttered by the prof at some point during one of his three-hour lectures.

Now, in the opening chapter of our text, a section outlines the "functions of courts" (in general, not distinguishing trial/appellate). It lists and elaborates on four: dispute resolution, behavior modification, allocation of gains and losses, and policymaking. It goes on to say that the first three functions are dominated by trial courts since appellate courts hear so few cases by comparison.

Anyway, what are the "two determinations" the prof wants us to list? The verdict and the sentence? That's what coming to my mind, though it doesn't seem to be stressed by the text in this particular section. Based on the way he talked about this in class, I was expecting the text to have a section entitled "The Two Necessary Determinations Of Trial Courts." No such luck.

Thoughts?

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby lepradillo » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:36 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:Really stupid question here. Completely different topic, but rather than start a pointless thread I'll simply derail my own.

I'm prepping for a final in an undergraduate class called "Introduction to Law and Legal Studies" (part of the way I chose to spend my year off was to handpick three classes at my local state school that sounded relevant or interesting; cue gunner jokes).

The study guide says: "Describe the legal function or task of a trial court? What two determinations does a trial court have to make in order to carry out its task?"

When we went over the study guide last class, the prof stressed that this question on the exam would be "very straight-forward." With this prof, it's not really fundamental comprehension or thinking ability that gets you by, it's how well you recall and regurgitate magical keywords uttered by the prof at some point during one of his three-hour lectures.

Now, in the opening chapter of our text, a section outlines the "functions of courts" (in general, not distinguishing trial/appellate). It lists and elaborates on four: dispute resolution, behavior modification, allocation of gains and losses, and policymaking. It goes on to say that the first three functions are dominated by trial courts since appellate courts hear so few cases by comparison.

Anyway, what are the "two determinations" the prof wants us to list? The verdict and the sentence? That's what coming to my mind, though it doesn't seem to be stressed by the text in this particular section. Based on the way he talked about this in class, I was expecting the text to have a section entitled "The Two Necessary Determinations Of Trial Courts." No such luck.

Thoughts?


Go ask the professor, we don't care.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby superserial » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:37 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:Am I a gunner?


you started a thread on gunnerism.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby revolution724 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:41 pm

lepradillo wrote:
Go ask the professor, we don't care.


This is going to be the answer in law school, too. Since every professor wants something different, you're far better asking "how should I answer this" questions either of the professor or of students who have already taken his/her course than anyone else.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby World B. Free » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:44 pm

To me, GUNNER is the girl in my LSAT prep class that answered every question from the teacher really fast so no one else in the class could even think to figure out the answer... Too bad it was like her 2nd or 3rd time taking the freakin' class so all her books were already filled out. After the first week of this, it really became annoying. :|

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:45 pm

revolution724 wrote:
lepradillo wrote:
Go ask the professor, we don't care.


This is going to be the answer in law school, too. Since every professor wants something different, you're far better asking "how should I answer this" questions either of the professor or of students who have already taken his/her course than anyone else.


This is obvious. Maybe the question itself isn't as dumb as I thought. If I had asked for help with the question, "What are the three branches of government," you all would instantly have known the answer.

If this question isn't as clear-cut, I have no problem going forward with my usual strategy of simply writing some stuff that shows I understand the function of trial courts and hope the prof finds what he is looking for.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby bilbobaggins » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:46 pm

kurama20 wrote:gunner [guhn-er]

--noun

1. anyone enrolled in their first year of law school with any kind common sense (ITE).
2. me next year
3. someone looking to be employed upon graduation from law school


Wow. Not only do you sound like a huge douche, you're also 100% wrong about 1 and 3.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:47 pm

World B. Free wrote:To me, GUNNER is the girl in my LSAT prep class that answered every question from the teacher really fast so no one else in the class could even think to figure out the answer... Too bad it was like her 2nd or 3rd time taking the freakin' class so all her books were already filled out. After the first week of this, it really became annoying. :|


On the other hand, the people in LSAT prep who sit with blank stares for upwards of 30 seconds after being asked directly by the instructor "which of these conditions is necessary and which is sufficient" or "how would we diagram 'all apples are red'" were also really annoying. I found it difficult not to chime in in such cases simply for the sake of expediency.

I never did chime in, however, when the question was specifically addressed to another person. Despite what impression this thread may give, I am always conscious of not being a douche. Hence my motivation for inquiring, basically.
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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:48 pm

bilbobaggins wrote:
kurama20 wrote:gunner [guhn-er]

--noun

1. anyone enrolled in their first year of law school with any kind common sense (ITE).
2. me next year
3. someone looking to be employed upon graduation from law school


Wow. Not only do you sound like a huge douche, you're also 100% wrong about 1 and 3.


You're the guy that called out the guy in the Berkeley thread for bringing a bunch of research to the Yoo discussion, right? Maybe you can shed some light on this issue, as you clearly have a working definition of "gunner" that you operate under.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Kant » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:49 pm

I think finishing in the top 5% is sufficient for being a gunner, because then pple will hate you. The secret to love is act dumb.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Nom Sawyer » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:53 pm

Kant wrote:I think finishing in the top 5% is sufficient for being a gunner, because then pple will hate you. The secret to love is act dumb.


Credited... this is what our honors seminar did at my ug, sit around and talk about how we usually act dumb

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby kurama20 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:57 pm

bilbobaggins wrote:
kurama20 wrote:gunner [guhn-er]

--noun

1. anyone enrolled in their first year of law school with any kind common sense (ITE).
2. me next year
3. someone looking to be employed upon graduation from law school


Wow. Not only do you sound like a huge douche, you're also 100% wrong about 1 and 3.


lol you need to get your ass off the internet for a little while. This was clearly a joke (as highlighted by the dictionary-esque style). Plus in all seriousness how in the world is anyone answering this question with exact certainty; gunner is a completely subjective term.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Nom Sawyer » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:58 pm

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby bilbobaggins » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:08 pm

kurama20 wrote:
bilbobaggins wrote:
kurama20 wrote:gunner [guhn-er]

--noun

1. anyone enrolled in their first year of law school with any kind common sense (ITE).
2. me next year
3. someone looking to be employed upon graduation from law school


Wow. Not only do you sound like a huge douche, you're also 100% wrong about 1 and 3.


lol you need to get your ass off the internet for a little while. This was clearly a joke (as highlighted by the dictionary-esque style). Plus in all seriousness how in the world is anyone answering this question with exact certainty; gunner is a completely subjective term.


Fair enough if it was a joke.

It's not a completely subjective term. Gunner typically refers to someone who:

1. Won't shut up in class. If there are 90 people in a class you really shouldn't be talking more than once a week unless called on. Even that's high.
2. Asks borderline irrelevant questions or introduces his or her own hypos into discussion.
3. Uses "law-like" phrases that are meant to make her or him sound better.
4. Guns at other students. This is actually what makes gunners so bad. I know people who do 1-3, and while they're annoying in class, they are still awesome people. Gunning at someone is asking them a question on the material. Listening to their answer and then saying something like, "Oh, but don't you think x contradicts that because of y." No one cares. Seriously. If you ask me a question I'll do my best to answer it, but I don't want to hear about your theories unless I ask you.
5. Is generally competitive in an outward manner about grades.
6. Is always talking about how much work she or he is doing.
7. Wants to discuss an exam after you've just taken it.
8. I actually know a dude who saw a friend watching the internet in the student lounge during a break from studying. He said, "Wow you have time for that?" and then shook his head. This is an excellent example of someone being a gunner shit. Even if you think like this keep it to yourself. Also, we're not good friends I'm not going to get it when you pretend to gun at me. I will just think you're gunning and consider you a chomo.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to do well in law school. There is nothing wrong with studying your ass off. It's when you do it in a manner that is assholish that people get annoyed.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:15 pm

Very complete response. Thanks!

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Kant » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:18 pm

this chick in one of my math classes will ask to compare answers on hw, and then tells me that some of my answers are wrong. As if I really give a flying fuck if i get half a problem wrong, when there are ten of them

that is gunner.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby MC Southstar » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:19 pm

Kant wrote:this chick in one of my math classes will ask to compare answers on hw, and then tells me that some of my answers are wrong. As if I really give a flying fuck if i get half a problem wrong, when there are ten of them

that is gunner.


That is love.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Kant » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:21 pm

shadowfrost000 wrote:
Kant wrote:this chick in one of my math classes will ask to compare answers on hw, and then tells me that some of my answers are wrong. As if I really give a flying fuck if i get half a problem wrong, when there are ten of them

that is gunner.


That is love.


Thanks, now I will never get another erection.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:21 pm

I figured out the CR for my exam question. The two determinations a trial court must make in order to carry out its task are determination of fact and determination of law.

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Re: Define "gunner"

Postby Kant » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:22 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:I figured out the CR for my exam question. The two determinations a trial court must make in order to carry out its task are determination of fact and determination of law.


Gunner.




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