frank_the_tank wrote: LawDog3 wrote:
T_Easy wrote:As a 22 year old, 2009 undergrad graduate black male (3.3 GPA, good softs) studying hard for my first LSAT in September and looking hard at schools like Georgetown, Cornell, Vanderbilt, and Columbia, I want to know the presence of black males at these schools. I know the statistics, but I want to hear first hand experience from people that attend these and other T20 schools. Do they seclude themselves? Are they social? How do they perform in classes? Just wondering...
Thanks in advance.
They are so rare that you can get into virtually any
top school (including HYS) with an LSAT of 160+
Some day that will change, as we are slowly getting better that the test and more of us are looking at law as a viable profession. But today? You must get a 160 or better my friend. Even if you can manage a 157 you will get some looks from top-20 (likely waitlists if your writing is fair, maybe admitted if you write really well).
155 or better keeps you in the top 50...maybe top-30.
omg wow. LawDog admits that HYS are top schools. What a miracle!
He then goes on to discuss rankings without putting down the people that take them into consideration when choosing a school...
First, I am only citing the reality of how adcoms will view the man's file. Secondly, I don't dispute that there must be some hierarchy in the schools. I just believe that blind acceptance of that hierarchy
is extremely dangerous. In other words, I acknowledge the perceptions that have been created by the rankings, as well as the behaviors of the respective adcoms in admissions. That doesn't mean that I view certain schools as necessarily "better" than others.
I can acknowledge that Cornell is ranked higher than UCLA and that Cornell students tend to have the stronger numbers, in part, due to the respective adcoms' critereon and, in part, due to self-selection of the students. These are facts OP will have to face when choosing schools. But OP should also view rankings with a critical eye and make choices for himself. Many Black applicants have decided that "best" means T-14 or Howard...period. That's ok. I had decided that it was top-25 plus some others scattered along the tiers down to TTT.
And actually, I realize that, for the purposes of this thread, I called HYS "top", but HYS are actually "super-elites" (as opposed to "top"), as I have said in the thread on defining the "top" law schools. Elite schools are #4-18 (or so). Tops are #20 (or so) through #50 (maybe even #75). But there are T3 and T4 schools I consider "top", namely Howard, Wayne St. and Suffolk.
Rankings are "tools" to be used in choosing a school. But the choice should not be determined by rankings. There's a difference.