AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:54 pm

Also, lol @ how old this thread is. Started before I even joined TLS, and the debate rages on.

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:36 pm

romothesavior wrote:Also, lol @ how old this thread is. Started before I even joined TLS, and the debate rages on.


It's just the mantra of "There is no such thing as bad publicity."

This whole debate just makes me sad and happens to me IRL every couple of weeks. I just started to tell people that it's an awesome school because... (insert nonsense here).

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby Billfins » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:53 pm

1) Bar passage does not guarantee a job
2) The attys. I know in FL from FSU and UF not so subtly rag on Coastal and talk about how it will lead to unemployment
3) They all teach the same material, but why do Yale grads get better jobs? PRESTIGE
4) If you don't get a first job (very real possibility for even UF/FSU students), you will never get a chance to move up in the legal world
5) Why Coastal being easier to flunk out of a plus? lol
6) From the transfer threads around here, schools don't like Coastal transfers. Incidentally, people from 7 other schools in FL want to transfer from UF to FSU, you're gonna need to be the top of the class.

CHECK YOU RESEARCH

I recognize bar passage doesn't create a job however as you have indicated the flawed theory is that Florida Coastal is a bottom feeder who isn't worth its salt in the legal school community. Therefore the subject was on schools and not on jobs which let's go ahead and get that out the way because apparently you forgot that you have to pass the bar to become a lawyer. Obviously by passing the bar you don't get a job just because you have a title. That logic is indicia of people who think that by nature of being a lawyer they will be handed $100K that wasn't a guarantee in the first place.

The president of the Florida bar, the past President of the Florida bar, and a bunch of attorney's and firms around the state of Florida like Coastal because of the education, so the idea that unemployment is somehow linked with Coastal is invalid by the nature of that fact. The problem law students face now is the competition not from one school but the massive increase in law school admissions around the whole country. People believe that they can ride out the recession by taking shelter in a school which will somehow give them $100K just for having a title. Which leads me to the next point. The reason why I mention that its a "PLUS" is that it actually reduces the population of potential lawyers and keeps the top performers. So by being condescending you actually overlooked the blatant positive aspect of Coastal. Further just because you go to Harvard or Yale doesn't mean you can do the job. That goes for undergrad as well. It will help you get in the door but I promise you if you can't keep up your going to get canned.

There are actually legal jobs out there mostly in corporations and local and state governments. Try CSX, Jag, environmental agencies if your frustrated or do some networking. So Rad Law... "Check you research"

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:56 pm

Billfins wrote:I recognize bar passage doesn't create a job however as you have indicated the flawed theory is that Florida Coastal is a bottom feeder who isn't worth its salt in the legal school community. Therefore the subject was on schools and not on jobs which let's go ahead and get that out the way because apparently you forgot that you have to pass the bar to become a lawyer. Obviously by passing the bar you don't get a job just because you have a title. That logic is indicia of people who think that by nature of being a lawyer they will be handed $100K that wasn't a guarantee in the first place.

The president of the Florida bar, the past President of the Florida bar, and a bunch of attorney's and firms around the state of Florida like Coastal because of the education, so the idea that unemployment is somehow linked with Coastal is invalid by the nature of that fact. The problem law students face now is the competition not from one school but the massive increase in law school admissions around the whole country. People believe that they can ride out the recession by taking shelter in a school which will somehow give them $100K just for having a title. Which leads me to the next point. The reason why I mention that its a "PLUS" is that it actually reduces the population of potential lawyers and keeps the top performers. So by being condescending you actually overlooked the blatant positive aspect of Coastal. Further just because you go to Harvard or Yale doesn't mean you can do the job. That goes for undergrad as well. It will help you get in the door but I promise you if you can't keep up your going to get canned.

There are actually legal jobs out there mostly in corporations and local and state governments. Try CSX, Jag, environmental agencies if your frustrated or do some networking. So Rad Law... "Check you research"


The president of the Florida bar, the past President of the Florida bar, and a bunch of attorney's and firms around the state of Florida like Coastal because of the education, so the idea that unemployment is somehow linked with Coastal is invalid by the nature of that fact.

This line sucks so bad it deserves to be struck-thru twice.

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby Grizz » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:11 pm

Billfins wrote:I recognize bar passage doesn't create a job however as you have indicated the flawed theory is that Florida Coastal is a bottom feeder who isn't worth its salt in the legal school community. Therefore the subject was on schools and not on jobs which let's go ahead and get that out the way because apparently you forgot that you have to pass the bar to become a lawyer. Obviously by passing the bar you don't get a job just because you have a title. That logic is indicia of people who think that by nature of being a lawyer they will be handed $100K that wasn't a guarantee in the first place.


Do you not get that bar passage does not guarantee a job? Do you realize you go to school to get a job? Do you realize that bar passage does not get you a job?

So by being condescending you actually overlooked the blatant positive aspect of Coastal.


I wouldn't call paying a bunch of money for a chance to maybe not fail out or have shit grades really is such a great service to the students, who are paying.

Further just because you go to Harvard or Yale doesn't mean you can do the job. That goes for undergrad as well. It will help you get in the door but I promise you if you can't keep up your going to get canned.


Yeah but they will get the jobs before Coastal students, generally, and will keep them because, frankly, most of law is not that hard. You don't realize that getting in the door is the hard part. Generally, studies of the legal market show that if you can get an initial job in the legal industry, you will be able to keep getting legal jobs thanks to being "in the club." If you can't get that first job, chances are you will never work as a lawyer, ever.

There are actually legal jobs out there mostly in corporations and local and state governments. Try CSX, Jag, environmental agencies if your frustrated or do some networking. So Rad Law... "Check you research"


You forget that kids from elite schools want these, too, duder. Positions with agencies can be more competitive than biglaw. Local and state govt. is insanely competitive (esp. in FL) because the state doesn't really have money to hire, in case you haven't been paying attention. 45,000 grads compete every year for much less than 30,000 jobs (including temporary atty. position, etc.). Can't network your way into jobs that don't exist. There all 11 schools in FL. Think for a second.
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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby Grizz » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:13 pm

frescodecacao wrote:
TTTTransfer wrote:Yeah, I know Coastal grads making less than $30k (this is AFTER passing the bar). Graduating from Coastal offers you promises of being a debt collection attorney, parking ticket negotiator (I'm not kidding), and party planner (all real jobs Coastal grads have that I personally know who passed the Florida bar).

While the Professors at Coastal are really nice, they are completely oblivious to the reality that their students will be drowning in debt and struggling to stay afloat when they graduate. The administration is callous to the plight of the students; for example, the curve is so low at Coastal that when I was there I was in the top 4% of my class, but with my GPA, I would BARELY have qualified for graduating with honors (cum laude). At UF, I believe cum laude starts at around top 20-25% of the class. Therefore, not only are Coastal grads coming out of a Tier 4 school that has a bad reputation, almost none of their grads seem to have stellar credentials, because their GPAs are lower than UF (and FSU), and no one is an honor grad. The only reasoning I can surmise for this is that Coastal's admissions department entices students by telling them that they only have to maintain a 3.0 to keep their scholarship, while omitting the fact that 3.0 is top 25% or so; therefore, Coastal can entice more students AND not pay out nearly as much scholarship money to 75% of upperclassmen not making the cut.

I feel really terrible for the people attending FCSL, because the market is completely saturated, and even some of my peers at UF are nervous about job prospects. Coastal literally is only interested in increasing profits at the expense of its student body. I was one of the few lucky ones to transfer out to greener pastures, but 95% do not, AND they lose their scholarship because the curve is so low.

The economy sucks, and even if it gets better, there is just not going to be a sudden and urgent need for a massive influx of lawyers - there are already far too many.

If you're thinking about Coastal, just re-take the LSAT until you get into a T1 school in the area in which you would like to practice, because trust me:
A LAW DEGREE FROM FLORIDA COASTAL SCHOOL OF LOL IS NOT A GOLDEN TICKET TO THE GOOD LIFE!

I couldn't have put it into better words than this person just did. I just dropped out of Florida Coastal. I couldn't even finish the semester. I received 3 Fs and 2 Ds on my midterms, not to mention all Fs on my Legal Writing assignments so far.

part of it is my heart not being in this, part of it is the quality of teaching, but most if it is bad luck. This place is like Vegas. You're basically throwing your money into a roulette hoping you'll be that person that falls into the top grade distribution. They let 700 people into my 1L class this yr. and they gave scholarships to basically EVERYONE I asked. Something is wrong with that picture. they distribute between 15 - 20 As - B+s, 50 - 70 Bs - Cs, and 15 to 20 C-s to Fs. But the bottom line is this is a huge scamming casino. not a law school. the professors, at least the ones i had, are either unqualified, as someone else said, ego tripping, uncaring, uninterested, and or all of the above. i don't even know where to start with the quality of education i received here. i couldn't take a minute longer of it. i had to leave town immediately. DONT COME HERE. i had read posts like this about FCSL but i didnt heed warnings. i was so desperate to come to law school. so stubborn. i wish id believed others, but i guess i had to learn the hard way. now ill be paying back this debt. however, best decision i could have made. the market is tough. i dont want law bad enough to retake the lsat. im not sure if my chances will be helped at another law school. im worried the quality of students there and faculty will not be much better. im afraid this is a system i am not prepared for or cut out for.


Hey Billfins, don't take it from me, this is straight from the horse's mouth.

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:10 pm

rad law wrote:You forget that kids from elite schools want these, too, duder. Positions with agencies can be more competitive than biglaw. Local and state govt. is insanely competitive (esp. in FL) because the state doesn't really have money to hire, in case you haven't been paying attention. 45,000 grads compete every year for much less than 30,000 jobs (including temporary atty. position, etc.). Can't network your way into jobs that don't exist. There all 11 schools in FL. Think for a second.


A good point is made here.

There are ~23k jobs open per year, ~45k grads per year.

Right off the top, you have a 50% chance of being unemployed. Now, all things equal.. if I were hiring an attorney - how would I cut down the of resumes?

Well, some criteria that comes to mind outside of experience that we all can probably agree on(you'll have none outside of SA perhaps.. and good luck with getting one of those!), school rank, class rank, law review & secondary journals, and moot. Passing the bar doesn't mean much unless it's the patent bar as everybody needs to enter the bar to practice - and post OCI... again, good luck finding a firm that'll foot the bill.

Alright, so lets see Florida Coastal:

-School Rank: If the employer uses this, T4 is the lowest type of school... it's unranked. So you're SOL.
-Alright - let's stop there. No point in going any forward since he cut down the stack with school ranking.

Hell, even UF grads have that problem... the only difference is from what I've heard is they have a pretty decent alumni base to network with.

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:14 pm

700 students in their 1L class?!?!? At that hellhole!?!? And only 25% get to keep their schollies? Oh my god. If you can't tell this school is a scam, you are just a total idiot.

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:17 pm

romothesavior wrote:700 students in their 1L class?!?!? At that hellhole!?!? And only 25% get to keep their schollies? Oh my god. If you can't tell this school is a scam, you are just a total idiot.


No way man!!

There's more students so naturally more employers come to OCI for greater exposure.

True story.

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby Grizz » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:23 pm

romothesavior wrote:700 students in their 1L class?!?!? At that hellhole!?!? And only 25% get to keep their schollies? Oh my god. If you can't tell this school is a scam, you are just a total idiot.


700 people = tons of alumni duder duhhhh

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Re: AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law

Postby johnnyutah » Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:44 pm

Billfins wrote:That logic is indicia of people who think that by nature of being a lawyer they will be handed $100K that wasn't a guarantee in the first place.

This sentence is an indicium of severe trying-to-look-smart overreach.




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