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Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:33 am
by High_Hopes
The last possibility is that you have Ws (Withdrawals) on your record which LSAC counts as punitive, meaning that these classes count as an F in your LSAC GPA. It is possible to remedy this problem if you convince your university to change these to non-punitive Ws, but I think the process for doing this at most universities is somewhat cumbersome.

is this real life?

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:25 pm
by tjos
I've got a question about applying before you get your LSAT back.

I took the LSAT in October and made a 158, since then I've been taking practice tests and all that and have been scoring between 166 and 170 and I feel 100x better about the official test I just took yesterday.

That said, I have most of my application materials ready, so would I be better off...

1. Applying now and checking the "future LSAT score pending" or whatever box or...
2. Waiting until I get my score back and possibly including an addendum regarding the potentially significant difference in my LSAT scores?

If I do the first one can I send in the addendum later? One of the schools I'm looking at (Loyola Los Angeles) averages LSAT scores but will consider only your highest if you attach an addendum explaining the difference, so it could end up making a pretty big difference. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:23 am
by Bashy
tjos wrote:I've got a question about applying before you get your LSAT back.

I took the LSAT in October and made a 158, since then I've been taking practice tests and all that and have been scoring between 166 and 170 and I feel 100x better about the official test I just took yesterday.

That said, I have most of my application materials ready, so would I be better off...

1. Applying now and checking the "future LSAT score pending" or whatever box or...
2. Waiting until I get my score back and possibly including an addendum regarding the potentially significant difference in my LSAT scores?

If I do the first one can I send in the addendum later? One of the schools I'm looking at (Loyola Los Angeles) averages LSAT scores but will consider only your highest if you attach an addendum explaining the difference, so it could end up making a pretty big difference. Any help would be appreciated.


I don't think a school will process/review your application if you tell them you've got a score pending, so doing #1 isn't really a timesaver over #2.

As far as addenda go, I don't know if "I didn't study the first time around, but for this test I did every practice test ever" is a worthy enough reason. If you were deathly ill when you took in October, that might be worth mentioned. YMMV.

No matter what, good luck.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:08 pm
by ams212
I go to a state school that has a 4.0 grading scale, but for whatever reason they don't hand out A+s (I don't know whether it's my school or if it's my professors I've had, but multiple times I've had 97-100% and still gotten a straight A.). Will my LSDAS GPA be hurt by this or will it be adjusted for this fact.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:15 pm
by kaiser
ams212 wrote:I go to a state school that has a 4.0 grading scale, but for whatever reason they don't hand out A+s (I don't know whether it's my school or if it's my professors I've had, but multiple times I've had 97-100% and still gotten a straight A.). Will my LSDAS GPA be hurt by this or will it be adjusted for this fact.


If the highest score your school gives out is A, then each A will be correlated with a 4.0 on the LSDAS scale. LSDAS awards 4.3 for A+, but if your school doesn't give them out, then you cannot get the 4.3 from LSDAS, even if an A at your school is essentially equivalent to an A+ anywhere else. So, I guess you could say that it would "hurt" you.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:19 pm
by ams212
kaiser wrote:
ams212 wrote:I go to a state school that has a 4.0 grading scale, but for whatever reason they don't hand out A+s (I don't know whether it's my school or if it's my professors I've had, but multiple times I've had 97-100% and still gotten a straight A.). Will my LSDAS GPA be hurt by this or will it be adjusted for this fact.


If the highest score your school gives out is A, then each A will be correlated with a 4.0 on the LSDAS scale. LSDAS awards 4.3 for A+, but if your school doesn't give them out, then you cannot get the 4.3 from LSDAS, even if an A at your school is essentially equivalent to an A+ anywhere else. So, I guess you could say that it would "hurt" you.


Thanks I appreciate that. That is awfully lame though.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:33 pm
by JimmyHuang
Rhetorical: So it would be more expedient to attend a school that has A+ as their highest grade rather than an A?

The UG I'm planning to attend next year has A as the highest grade. I'm planning to transfer out; does anyone know any schools that give A+?

In junior year of HS I took 3 APs and am taking 1 this year. I got a 4, 4, 5 on the ones in junior year and 80, 80, 85 in each class respectively (school is grade deflated + gives number grades). This year, I'll probably get a 1 on my AP (senioritis :roll: ) and a 90 in the class. Will this all be counted in my LSDAS GPA?

Since you declare your major during your second year, doesn't that mean you can declare engineering and take only one year of it without it dragging down your GPA too much and get a decent shot at IP law? It's basically a one year deal since you get accepted into law school early senior year. It seems that engineering is only a four year program at some schools.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:41 pm
by bk1
JimmyHuang wrote:So it would be more expedient to attend a school that has A+ as their highest grade rather than an A?

The UG I'm planning to attend next year has A as the highest grade. I'm planning to transfer out; does anyone know any schools that give A+?

Also, in junior year of HS I took 3 APs and am taking 1 this year. I got a 4, 4, 5 on the ones in junior year and 80, 80, 85 in each class respectively (school is grade deflated + gives number grades). This year, I'll probably get a 1 on my AP (senioritis :roll: ) and a 90 in the class. Will this all be counted in my LSDAS GPA?

Don't pick your UG based on law school. Who knows if you'll still want to go to law school 4 years from now.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:49 pm
by JimmyHuang
bk1 wrote:Don't pick your UG based on law school. Who knows if you'll still want to go to law school 4 years from now.

I'm not picking my UG solely on law school. I can say with 99% certainty I want to go to law school if my stats hold up for T-14. I always planning on transferring and I'm just looking to give more consideration to schools that give A+.

To add to my list of questions: Since you declare your major during your second year, doesn't that mean you can declare engineering and take only one year of it without it dragging down your GPA too much and get a decent shot at IP law? It's basically a one year deal since you get accepted into law school early senior year. It seems that engineering is only a four year program at some schools.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:58 pm
by bluedvl
It is not a good idea to pick the school based on if they give A+'s because you have such a small chance of getting them in most classes anyway and I doubt there is a correlation between them offering A+'s and how easy their classes are.
For example a college could offer A+'s but still be considerably more difficult to get an A than another college that doesn't. So even if your only goal with UG is to get into a good law school, whether or not they offer A+'s should be very low on your list of priorities in choosing a college.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:18 am
by TheGreatWhiteHorse
bluedvl wrote:It is not a good idea to pick the school based on if they give A+'s because you have such a small chance of getting them in most classes anyway and I doubt there is a correlation between them offering A+'s and how easy their classes are.
For example a college could offer A+'s but still be considerably more difficult to get an A than another college that doesn't. So even if your only goal with UG is to get into a good law school, whether or not they offer A+'s should be very low on your list of priorities in choosing a college.


Right. This whole "A+" versus "A" thing is fairly close to nonsense.

Listen, 0Ls...Your UGPA is looked at holistically, and I can assure you that your LSAT score matters a whole heck of a lot more. I know from personal experience. I was a history major in UG and I crushed every class. I graduated cum laude, whole shot. My UGPA was abysmally low because I went to a fly-by-night art school as a young lad and left mid-semester and racked up 4 "F"s (yes, those non-transferrable credits still count). I still got into my first choice school with a partial ride. So basically, this whole .3 gpa difference is an insanely small detail to worry about. It isn't as hard to get into law school as they make it out to be. If you are a good student and a hard worker, it will show and you will be fine.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:58 am
by cardstrong5
Question: because they are both above the 75th percentiles for all schools, is there really a difference between a 4.1 and a 4.0?

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:09 am
by TheGreatWhiteHorse
cardstrong5 wrote:Question: because they are both above the 75th percentiles for all schools, is there really a difference between a 4.1 and a 4.0?


No.

What are my chances?/

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:30 pm
by Bryce
Hey everyone,

I go to Michigan State University and am studying finance. I have a 3.74 GPA and my grade trend from first semester Freshman year is as follows:3.0; 3.6; 3.9; 3.7; 3.9; 4.0.

I didn't do as well I had hoped on my LSAT and got a 164.

I was in quite a bit of legal trouble between age 13 and 18- all Minor in Possession of Alcohol charges (5) and one possession of m.j. Now, my personal is going to be about how you really can turn your life around after being involved in all these negative activities.

I really want to attend t-14 and am planning a semi-blanket. Outside t-14, Vandy, U Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Minnesota spark my interest.

Basically, I am wondering where I should do early decision. I am debating between Michigan, UPenn, Duke or Notre Dame. I think I can get into Notre Dame in regular admission but am unsure. Do you think I should "reach" for U of M or the others, hoping either to get in to those (unlikely) and fall back on ND or the others. Or should I just send my ED to Notre Dame because I am not as competitive as I like to imagine?

Advice?

Thanks so much

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:35 pm
by Nova
TheGreatWhiteHorse wrote:
cardstrong5 wrote:Question: because they are both above the 75th percentiles for all schools, is there really a difference between a 4.1 and a 4.0?


No.


That is debatable. I would lean toward yes, slighly.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5&t=188935

Re: What are my chances?/

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:37 pm
by Nova
Bryce wrote: I didn't do as well I had hoped on my LSAT and got a 164.


Retake in October if you want T14/Vandy/UT/UMN

Re: What are my chances?/

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:11 pm
by eric922
Bryce wrote:Hey everyone,

I go to Michigan State University and am studying finance. I have a 3.74 GPA and my grade trend from first semester Freshman year is as follows:3.0; 3.6; 3.9; 3.7; 3.9; 4.0.

I didn't do as well I had hoped on my LSAT and got a 164.

I was in quite a bit of legal trouble between age 13 and 18- all Minor in Possession of Alcohol charges (5) and one possession of m.j. Now, my personal is going to be about how you really can turn your life around after being involved in all these negative activities.

I really want to attend t-14 and am planning a semi-blanket. Outside t-14, Vandy, U Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Minnesota spark my interest.

Basically, I am wondering where I should do early decision. I am debating between Michigan, UPenn, Duke or Notre Dame. I think I can get into Notre Dame in regular admission but am unsure. Do you think I should "reach" for U of M or the others, hoping either to get in to those (unlikely) and fall back on ND or the others. Or should I just send my ED to Notre Dame because I am not as competitive as I like to imagine?

Advice?

Thanks so much

3 more points should get you some decent money from UMN so you should retake. A 170 would probably get your some good money from Vandy and a extra money at UMN.

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:31 pm
by babasil1
Hey, everyone.

I recently got accepted to a university on early decision with an inent to receive a scholarship. The scholarship awards will be announced in March, however. If I do not get one, I will probably spend 2013 honing my LSAT and aiming for a better university. My question: Am I legally allowed to refuse attending that university in Fall of 2013 despite the early decision option? And if yes, will that somehow negatively reflect on my future applications? All help is appreciated!

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:09 pm
by red52
How hard is it to earn a scholarship after first year of you are in the top 10-15% of your class? Will they give scholarships/grants to these people at all if they don't already have them?

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:40 pm
by btoll7
Hi Everyone,

I'm torn when it comes to including an addendum. Some people/websites advise against sending them and others say it's a good idea to send one just in case. I know it works case-by-case, so here's my info:

I took the LSAT in June 2012 and canceled because I was pretty sick and I didn't feel my score would be an accurate representation of my abilities. I then took the LSAT in October 2012 and received a 153. I go to Ohio State and they just switched over from quarters to semesters and I didn't know what to expect for the semester. I took 6 classes, had meetings and volunteered for my pre law fraternity each week, and held a job as well. I didn't realize I wouldn't have much time to prepare for the LSAT and I didn't think my score of 153 was showing my full potential. So I'm taking the LSAT again in February.

I know 3 times doesn't look the greatest, but I'd rather try and do better than sit back and accept an unsatisfactory score. I'm just not sure which, or if either, of those situations needs an addendum. I don't want to seem like I'm making up excuses.

Also, some schools (specifically UCLA and USC) ask you if you think your LSAT score accurately represents your future promise. I feel like I should include a statement to explain that even if under typical circumstances it's not beneficial to include an addendum.

As you can see I'm very conflicted on what to do and any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks to anyone who is willing help me out!

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:23 am
by brandoman
Don't know where to post!

Does playing a D1 sport in college count as a decent soft or anything?

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:12 am
by Redfactor
brandoman wrote:Don't know where to post!

Does playing a D1 sport in college count as a decent soft or anything?


Yes

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:40 pm
by leifengus
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Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:56 am
by mwells56
So the FAQ had a thing about LSAC GPA being lower than undergrad GPA, but mine's actually higher.

MY LSAC GPA is a 3.7 and my undergrad GPA is 3.64. I feel like that's a relatively large difference that could count against me. It's because my school offers A+'s but they still count the same as a straight A (both 4.0) and don't hand them out very often, but I've gotten 2. This isn't the case in other grade letters, where it's a normal scale (B+/B/B- is still 3.3/3.0/2.7). Also, I took a couple of classes at Penn State and Johns Hopkins in high school and got two A's and an A- in 3 credit classes.

Should I even bother worrying about the difference or is LSAC GPA all that matters?

Re: Frequently Asked Questions

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:57 am
by sublime
mwells56 wrote:So the FAQ had a thing about LSAC GPA being lower than undergrad GPA, but mine's actually higher.

MY LSAC GPA is a 3.7 and my undergrad GPA is 3.64. I feel like that's a relatively large difference that could count against me. It's because my school offers A+'s but they still count the same as a straight A (both 4.0) and don't hand them out very often, but I've gotten 2. This isn't the case in other grade letters, where it's a normal scale (B+/B/B- is still 3.3/3.0/2.7). Also, I took a couple of classes at Penn State and Johns Hopkins in high school and got two A's and an A- in 3 credit classes.

Should I even bother worrying about the difference or is LSAC GPA all that matters?


LSAC is all that matters.