More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

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neskerdoo
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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby neskerdoo » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:03 am

this answers my question of whether to buy into a big name school, or excel in a smaller, local program.


it does? what is the answer?

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Postby nellie06 » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:12 am

The answer is making top 10 percent at thomas cooley law school...I'm sure they do well in biglaw lmao

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby Darth Topher » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:22 am

I do not know much about this "Thomas Cooley" law school place, however it truly does seem as if all their statements are full of Shit!

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby kevsocko » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:17 pm

does this make anyone else want to start studying right now?

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Postby Darth Topher » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:17 pm

yes

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby Kay777 » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:39 pm

OK, these stories used to scare me too. But, after working in a relevent field for the last year before going to law school, here is the flip side of the coin for tier one kids: Biglaw is dying to having you. Really.

T14? If you graduate, you can get a Biglaw job. If you don't get a C (and its hard to get a C at most of the T14 schools) and you don't foam at the mouth during interviews, you will be able to get a good (read: V20) 2L position. Once you have that position, as long as you do some work and don't try to pick up partners' wives (oops!) you will get an offer.

And even if you get a few Cs at your T14, there are V30-100 firms that will be drooling over you. They still pay $160k to start. Will you get your $160K Watchell bonus? No. Will you have the 2700 billable hours/year Wachtell requrement? Also no!

T60 or so? Don't get a C. Look in a market that your school actually caters to. Then see above about picking realistic firms and not foaming at the mouth, and you will also have no problem getting a Biglaw spot. If you do get a C, go get yourself a clerkship (state judges count too) or something equally prestigious, then try again.

I'm not going to comment about anything below T60 simply because I don't know anything about it. But all of us T60 kids will be able to sell our souls to Biglaw when we graduate - don't worry!

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby rmyoun06 » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:21 pm

Can't she just get a clerkship in Hazard County, Georgia, or be a public defender somewhere? I mean, surely someplace int he country is in need of another one.

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Postby awesomepossum » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:27 pm

living out of my boyfriend



Is she extremely tiny?

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Postby bryguy » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:14 pm

hahaha ... wait! possum is back?! (from outter space ... )

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby RATRATRAT » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:20 pm

Well, that kinda makes me nervous . . . especially since I decided this morning if I go to Cornell, my goal GPA is a 3.0 . . .

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Postby hiphoppopotamus » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:50 pm

Well, that kinda makes me nervous . . . especially since I decided this morning if I go to Cornell, my goal GPA is a 3.0 . . .


cornell's median is a 3.3...

so you're saying your goal is to be below median, probably closer to lower 1/4?

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Postby hiphoppopotamus » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:52 pm

is it really news that non t-14 kids below the median are having trouble finding gainful employment?

and did anyone else read "mostly B's" as B's and C's, which would put this person at <3.0...

this really shouldn't be shocking at all.

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Postby bryguy » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:23 pm

hiphoppopotamus wrote:is it really news that non t-14 kids below the median are having trouble finding gainful employment?

and did anyone else read "mostly B's" as B's and C's, which would put this person at <3.0...

this really shouldn't be shocking at all.


true ... but its still sad :(

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby RATRATRAT » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:42 pm

hiphoppopotamus wrote:
Well, that kinda makes me nervous . . . especially since I decided this morning if I go to Cornell, my goal GPA is a 3.0 . . .


cornell's median is a 3.3...

so you're saying your goal is to be below median, probably closer to lower 1/4?


hmm . . . I didn't realize that it would put me at about the 25%. Perhaps "goal" was the wrong word. I was thinking in terms of realistic expectations there, &c. when I was considering whether or not getting knee deep in debt would be a good game plan. I didn't think that a 3.0 would be that terrible of a GPA (straight b's sounds decent?), especially for not exactly noted for their work ethic and going from a tier 3 to an ivy league. Perhaps it is, when looking at their class distribution.

But whatever the case, someone has to get a 3.0 there, and perhaps I'm the man for the job.

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Postby hiphoppopotamus » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:28 pm

there could certainly be worse places to be below the median...

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby typodragon » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:52 pm

Kay777 wrote:T60 or so? Don't get a C. Look in a market that your school actually caters to. Then see above about picking realistic firms and not foaming at the mouth, and you will also have no problem getting a Biglaw spot. If you do get a C, go get yourself a clerkship (state judges count too) or something equally prestigious, then try again.


As much as I think foaming at the mouth is the explanation for a significant portion of failure among first time job seekers, I think you're being overly bullish on the chances of many of the students in the 15-60 range. there are only so many positions, and hiring partners at large firms are understandably wary of median students at mid to lower tier 1 schools.

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Postby invertshadow » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:02 pm

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Postby prettypithy » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:15 pm

invertshadow wrote:Does anyone else find it kind of odd how there are NO similar horror stories on the internet for grads of several TTT and FTT schools?

This particular pity story sounds like a total fluke: below average grades, no ECs, no connections. Many of the posters on jdunderground went to TTT schools in NY and actually have jobs.


Doc Review and ID firms. Not exactly the most luxe positions but you're right--this girl could almost certainly find something. Maybe she needs to lower her standards. :?

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby kevsocko » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:33 pm

i wish she identified her school and market. its not like she owes them or anything...

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Postby zeezoo » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:06 am

best.flame.ever.

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Postby egrubs » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:40 am

(Just to catch up on my soon-to-be-trolling-JD-underground lingo...) What's an ID firm?

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby rmyoun06 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:12 am

hiphoppopotamus wrote:
Well, that kinda makes me nervous . . . especially since I decided this morning if I go to Cornell, my goal GPA is a 3.0 . . .


cornell's median is a 3.3...

so you're saying your goal is to be below median, probably closer to lower 1/4?

Shit, man, as hard as people say law school is, my goal is just to pass.

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby gmail » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:48 pm

Considering the new Federal LRAP, there is no effing reason for these people to not have jobs. Yeah, you won't be rolling in a 160k, but there are shit tons of government/PI jobs out there and you have reasonable hours and do work that doesn't make you wanna kill yourself. After ten years of paying off loans, the American taxpayers will pick up the tab. Then you can sit back and light up a fatty and smoke your cares away.

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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby egrubs » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:53 pm

gmail wrote:Considering the new Federal LRAP, there is no effing reason for these people to not have jobs. Yeah, you won't be rolling in a 160k, but there are shit tons of government/PI jobs out there and you have reasonable hours and do work that doesn't make you wanna kill yourself. After ten years of paying off loans, the American taxpayers will pick up the tab. Then you can sit back and light up a fatty and smoke your cares away.


Sock's blog
9:02 a.m. entry on Dec. 7, 2007
Summary: there are more lawyers graduating each year than open jobs for them to fill.
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Re: More sad stories from our friends at JD underground

Postby kiskadee321 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:59 pm

egrubs wrote:
gmail wrote:Considering the new Federal LRAP, there is no effing reason for these people to not have jobs. Yeah, you won't be rolling in a 160k, but there are shit tons of government/PI jobs out there and you have reasonable hours and do work that doesn't make you wanna kill yourself. After ten years of paying off loans, the American taxpayers will pick up the tab. Then you can sit back and light up a fatty and smoke your cares away.


Sock's blog
9:02 a.m. entry on Dec. 7, 2007
Summary: there are more lawyers graduating each year than open jobs for them to fill.


Did I miss something? I don't see a 9:02 entry.




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