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Lawgiver1981
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Employment during law school

Postby Lawgiver1981 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:57 pm

Hi
For those already in law school, what do you do for money? Is everybody living on student loans or do you guys have paying jobs while you go to class?

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Re: Employment during law school

Postby UVA2B » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:02 am

This question is overly broad. Most students use loans to cover cost of living and cost of tuition, fees, etc., but some can get by without it for multiple reasons (rich family, personal savings, full scholarship, etc.).

As for "paying jobs," 1Ls are limited to jobs of 20 hours/week max (and some schools restrict that number even further) by the ABA.

There isn't a single answer to "how do law students live financially?" What are your specific circumstances?

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Re: Employment during law school

Postby mcmand » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:30 pm

UVA2B wrote:As for "paying jobs," 1Ls are limited to jobs of 20 hours/week max (and some schools restrict that number even further) by the ABA.


ABA no longer requires this in its accreditation standards: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/lega ... tions.html

"Standard 304(f), which restricted student employment to 20 hours per week, was eliminated in 2014. ABA-approved law schools may continue to retain a student employment rule even though it is no longer required by the Standards."


Still not able to figure out how any school actually enforces this and to what extent they do (and why they ever would). I had classmates who worked during 1L (and were full-time students) and definitely did more than 20 hours.

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Re: Employment during law school

Postby UVA2B » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:31 pm

mcmand wrote:
UVA2B wrote:As for "paying jobs," 1Ls are limited to jobs of 20 hours/week max (and some schools restrict that number even further) by the ABA.


ABA no longer requires this in its accreditation standards: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/lega ... tions.html

"Standard 304(f), which restricted student employment to 20 hours per week, was eliminated in 2014. ABA-approved law schools may continue to retain a student employment rule even though it is no longer required by the Standards."


Still not able to figure out how any school actually enforces this and to what extent they do (and why they ever would). I had classmates who worked during 1L (and were full-time students) and definitely did more than 20 hours.


I always forget they repealed that rule. Thanks for the backup.

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Re: Employment during law school

Postby pancakes3 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:23 pm

i knew a couple people who bounced or bartended through law school but i wouldn't recommend it.

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Re: Employment during law school

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:14 pm

mcmand wrote:
UVA2B wrote:As for "paying jobs," 1Ls are limited to jobs of 20 hours/week max (and some schools restrict that number even further) by the ABA.


ABA no longer requires this in its accreditation standards: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/lega ... tions.html

"Standard 304(f), which restricted student employment to 20 hours per week, was eliminated in 2014. ABA-approved law schools may continue to retain a student employment rule even though it is no longer required by the Standards."


Still not able to figure out how any school actually enforces this and to what extent they do (and why they ever would). I had classmates who worked during 1L (and were full-time students) and definitely did more than 20 hours.

Eh, if you’re a full-time program I can see restricting the hours students work during 1L given the learning curve and importance of grades. I agree that in practice it’s almost impossible to enforce (except maybe for school-administered employment), but given how often people here advise others not to work during 1L, I don’t think the restriction is nonsensical.

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Re: Employment during law school

Postby mcmand » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:32 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Eh, if you’re a full-time program I can see restricting the hours students work during 1L given the learning curve and importance of grades. I agree that in practice it’s almost impossible to enforce (except maybe for school-administered employment), but given how often people here advise others not to work during 1L, I don’t think the restriction is nonsensical.


I don't want to derail the thread entirely from OP's question but...

It's not prudent to work during 1L, agreed. I don't think the school should be in the business of micromanaging one's decisions. The school can put out its guidance and advice in multiple forms, but restricting one's ability to earn income while in law school is really not their concern. If they don't want their students to fail and make them look bad in the rankings, they can offer more financial aid or more academic support.

Completely unsupported anecdote, but I heard from others during my time at UW that Bill Gates Sr (of Preston Gates & Ellis which merged to become K&L Gates) worked on the docks at the Port of Seattle during law school.




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