to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

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to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby KeYe88 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:11 pm

hey all,

can u give your views and provide solid ground to justify,
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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby t-14orbust » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:12 pm

yes but they probably shouldn't and no one else will. just call yourself esquire if you want to be a douche

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby TLSModBot » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:14 pm

No. Real doctorates require much more work and/or actual contribution to research.

The JD is about equivalent to a Master's degree, really.
My Ph.D wife would feed me my severed tongue if I called myself a doctor.

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby t-14orbust » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:18 pm

but you're still a doctor of jurisprudence

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby KeYe88 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:22 pm

Capitol_Idea wrote:No. Real doctorates require much more work and/or actual contribution to research.

The JD is about equivalent to a Master's degree, really.
My Ph.D wife would feed me my severed tongue if I called myself a doctor.


so is there is any wrong with calling oneself a doctor, ethically, practically and legally?

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Postby GreenEggs » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:22 pm

The ABA claims you can, but there is literally no reason anyone ever should.

I had a high school teacher who had a JD and made all students use "Dr. ___"
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Postby Nekrowizard » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:22 pm

I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby Leonardo DiCaprio » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:23 pm

worse is when some comp. lit phd dork DEMANDS that he be called doctor smith rather than professor smith.

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby KeYe88 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:25 pm

t-14orbust wrote:but you're still a doctor of jurisprudence



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctorate

hi dude, i see there are research doctorate and professional doctorate here :D

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Postby fliptrip » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:27 pm

Capitol_Idea wrote:No. Real doctorates require much more work and/or actual contribution to research.

The JD is about equivalent to a Master's degree, really.
My Ph.D wife would feed me my severed tongue if I called myself a doctor.


Oh the various Ed.D.s and PsyD.s and others with professional degrees have no problem calling themselves doctor. Technically, you have a doctoral degree when you hold a J.D. so you could call yourself doctor, but people would just look real funny at you.

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Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:29 pm

Leonardo DiCaprio wrote:worse is when some comp. lit phd dork DEMANDS that he be called doctor smith rather than professor smith.

If it's in a classroom, a PhD absolutely has the right to be called doctor. Especially because professor is technically a job title that might not apply to your instructor.

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Postby TLSModBot » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:29 pm

KeYe88 wrote:
Capitol_Idea wrote:No. Real doctorates require much more work and/or actual contribution to research.

The JD is about equivalent to a Master's degree, really.
My Ph.D wife would feed me my severed tongue if I called myself a doctor.


so is there is any wrong with calling oneself a doctor, ethically, practically and legally?

Wrong? I don't think so, especially if the ABA says you can, but it's just so douchey.

Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.
Depends on the Ph.D., but the shit my wife went through to get that degree was REAL. Tons of research, experiments, desperate fights to get published, bullshit professorial politics with grants/funding, presentations at symposia, etc. Developing actual knowledge expertise in an area is fucking hard.

We do literally nothing of value in a JD program - we "learn" mostly useless stuff in a wide variety of areas and we all get the same basics. There's no independent focus or development of the knowledge of law (and lol at your student note being a 'contribution to the literature' just fucking lol). We are garbage compared to even the most esoteric of Ph.Ds.

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby fliptrip » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:30 pm

Leonardo DiCaprio wrote:worse is when some comp. lit phd dork DEMANDS that he be called doctor smith rather than professor smith.


I dunno, I always thought professor was a more exhalted title than doctor. I'd much rather be Professor Flip than Dr. Flip, Ph.D.

To the other point about the Ph.D. having less claim to the title doctor than an MD: That's not right. In the academy, the Ph.D. is the ultimate degree in standing...it's above professional doctorates, professional masters, and research masters.

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby xspider » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:36 pm

This site is so weird, I assume we all want to be lawyers. But the majority appear to always try to downplay and belittle attorneys in most cases. I wouldn't call myself a doctor once I graduate school, unless maybe in a joke. But claiming people do "nothing of value" in law school and calling us garbage compared to other schools of education is ridiculous.

If people seem to be that ashamed of becoming an attorney, why not do something you would be proud of?

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby KeYe88 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:39 pm

Capitol_Idea wrote:
KeYe88 wrote:
Capitol_Idea wrote:No. Real doctorates require much more work and/or actual contribution to research.

The JD is about equivalent to a Master's degree, really.
My Ph.D wife would feed me my severed tongue if I called myself a doctor.


so is there is any wrong with calling oneself a doctor, ethically, practically and legally?

Wrong? I don't think so, especially if the ABA says you can, but it's just so douchey.

Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.
Depends on the Ph.D., but the shit my wife went through to get that degree was REAL. Tons of research, experiments, desperate fights to get published, bullshit professorial politics with grants/funding, presentations at symposia, etc. Developing actual knowledge expertise in an area is fucking hard.

We do literally nothing of value in a JD program - we "learn" mostly useless stuff in a wide variety of areas and we all get the same basics. There's no independent focus or development of the knowledge of law (and lol at your student note being a 'contribution to the literature' just fucking lol). We are garbage compared to even the most esoteric of Ph.Ds.


after all a person who has obtained a jd is a doctor of jurisprudence, despite the real doctorate value created by phd, i would regard jd called doctor is ok, but it just seems uncommon, right?

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Postby t-14orbust » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:41 pm

One day you might be in a situation where a woman is in labor and people are screaming and running around asking if anyone is a doctor. then you can stand and proudly declare that you are a doctor...of jurisprudence

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Postby rpupkin » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:43 pm

Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.

You will if you go into lit and have to work with expert witnesses.

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Postby KeYe88 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:52 pm

t-14orbust wrote:One day you might be in a situation where a woman is in labor and people are screaming and running around asking if anyone is a doctor. then you can stand and proudly declare that you are a doctor...of jurisprudence


but why that “of juris...” is required,? a phd is a phd in a particular field only or maybe multiple fields.sure, without thesis a jd is a jd and no research was done, but it is still doctor literally.

i just saw a jd who called herself dr. xx on a forum offensively attacked by people, so i raise a question here.

i understand why people say jd is actually a master, but why dont people say a MA is actually a bachelor because they are only taught degrees.

and in some countries, legal degrees mean llb, so why dont people say jd can be meant to a bachelor degree, given it is only a taught and foundation degree in law.

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:53 pm

xspider wrote:This site is so weird, I assume we all want to be lawyers. But the majority appear to always try to downplay and belittle attorneys in most cases. I wouldn't call myself a doctor once I graduate school, unless maybe in a joke. But claiming people do "nothing of value" in law school and calling us garbage compared to other schools of education is ridiculous.

If people seem to be that ashamed of becoming an attorney, why not do something you would be proud of?


Getting a PhD requires you to do actual research and write a thesis that nobody else has ever written. You have to break new ground that literally no other human being has done. It can be small, but this process takes people on average 6 years to do. That's average. 6 straight years of research to create something entirely new. From what I've heard, the thesis defense is many orders of magnitude more humiliating and stressful than anything you will ever do in law school.

Law school is 1 year of a bloodbath, 1 year of just busy work, and 1 year of boredom.

The two are not comparable. Nobody is downplaying law school, but having a JD and wanting to be called "doctor" is like a chess player wanting to be called "athlete."
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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby kellyfrost » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:56 pm

Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.


LOL! I feel the exact same.
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Postby Nekrowizard » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:58 pm

rpupkin wrote:
Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.

You will if you go into lit and have to work with expert witnesses.

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:58 pm

kellyfrost wrote:
Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.


LOL! I feel the exact same.


There are many PhDs significantly more difficult to attain than an MD, depending on your thesis. You seriously wouldn't call an astronaut with a PhD in both applied mathematics and astrophysics a "doctor"?

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Postby TLSModBot » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:58 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Nobody is downplaying law school
No no, we are absolutely doing that thing.

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby Nekrowizard » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:59 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.


LOL! I feel the exact same.


There are many PhDs significantly more difficult to attain than an MD, depending on your thesis. You seriously wouldn't call an astronaut with a PhD in both applied mathematics and astrophysics a "doctor"?


If they got it at Harvard, sure. Penn? Come the fuck on.

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Re: to be serious, can a jd call him/herself a doctor?

Postby TLSModBot » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:59 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Nekrowizard wrote:I wouldn't even call a Ph.D a doctor. If a Ph.D I know insisted on it, I would relentlessly mock them both to their faces and behind their backs. It's either MD or nothing.


LOL! I feel the exact same.


There are many PhDs significantly more difficult to attain than an MD, depending on your thesis. You seriously wouldn't call an astronaut with a PhD in both applied mathematics and astrophysics a "doctor"?

Stephen Hawking can't prescribe me painkillers, and that little bitch wants to be called a doctor?



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