utahraptor wrote:where the heck is this "organize and you can lower tuition" thing coming from
it's so dumb
it's so so dumb
Third year of law school, bruh. NY Bar has it in their cross hairs. There is an opportunity here that is being left on the table because none of you are fighting for it.
Think for a second about the bargaining positions of the two groups here. Current law students have already agreed to go to law school, signed up for 3 years before this was an option, and are presently working on their JDs. Yes, they can do the pro bono thing, but I'm pretty sure that every school is making you pay spring tuition even if you do the Feb bar/pro bono route.
That isn't shocking.
What is a current 3L going to say? Let me graduate early and not pay tuition, or else I'll drop out? Sunk costs are way too high and you'd be giving up on your job to try to make a point. Maybe, maybe
incoming students could start asking hard questions before they come about why they would pay to not do 3L, but as it stands the people who you're saying have the ability to PUSH BACK have no bargaining power. They have the most to lose and a only a relatively small amount of money to gain.
This is why your argument is dumb.
(1) At a top school, tuition is high but law school probably still is, objectively, not a horrible investment. There are loads of problems with post graduate work. The debt shackle is totally annoying. But, I'd still wager that most people who go to T14 schools come out ahead on the law degree. Maybe there are ways where they'd come out even more ahead, but they kinda get what they pay for.
There are many on these boards that disagree. You're lucky to last long enough to break even. By the time you do, you're likely to be out, rather than up. Which is a big part of why TCR is never pay sticker since what counts as a good outcome is still just breaking even.
The big missing data point that Campos has been discussing for a while are "the disappeared" attorneys. We know how folks do 9 months out. But whether it's been worth their while long term is a big question. The anecdata is not good.
The anecdotes are also often dumb. I think once you go long long term it gets surprisingly dark, but when I went through interview stuff I made an effort of tracking attorneys at the firms I got offers from, to see if they were still with the firm they started with, to see if they lateraled up or down, to see if they just disappeared, &c.
Way way more people stuck with it than TLS old wisdom would have you believe. Attrition is high, sure, but I don't think it's as high as people make it out to be. Part of that is lack of great exit options, probably, but the question for me is just "can you make back tuition and whatever else you lost in income" and the answer seems to be "yeah, but the job isn't fun and you'll hate yourself for spending a decade on something pointless."
That's what I see the most likely outcome of my long-term arc being. I work the job, get most of the way out of debt, work another job, make some marginal amount of money more than I would have otherwise, and then probably get NO BREAKFASTed and quit out. Worst case is I hate it so much that I leave before the above can happen, or get pushed out too early, though getting pushed out seems really really rare.