PolSci Major in Undergrad

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby beachbum » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:57 pm

America is doing a great disservice by allowing people to major in polisci, English, and philosophy. Or, at least, letting them use government-backed loans to do so. Liberal arts majors: Keep your fluff papers. I want my money back.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby patogordo » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:00 pm

beachbum wrote:America is doing a great disservice by allowing people to major in polisci, English, and philosophy. Or, at least, letting them use government-backed loans to do so. Liberal arts majors: Keep your fluff papers. I want my money back.

LE STEM MASTER RACE

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Otunga » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:03 am

beachbum wrote:America is doing a great disservice by allowing people to major in polisci, English, and philosophy. Or, at least, letting them use government-backed loans to do so. Liberal arts majors: Keep your fluff papers. I want my money back.


Philosophy's a great major as a complement to another major that's desired by employers. But I agree with the general idea; it could be questionable to study those degrees for free, forget with significant loans for them. Liberal arts majors improve one's writing and whatever, but you don't really need a full-on major with a bunch of advanced classes to acquire that improvement.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Legacy Rabbit » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:10 am

beachbum wrote:America is doing a great disservice by allowing people to major in polisci, English, and philosophy. Or, at least, letting them use government-backed loans to do so. Liberal arts majors: Keep your fluff papers. I want my money back.


Hello There!

Philosophy and Poli Sci Major here....

Thankfully I had one fuck left by the end of the day.
to give to you!

SO YEAH .. FUCK YOU :mrgreen:

Sincerely,
liberal hearts (double) major

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Danger Zone » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:30 am

Legacy Rabbit wrote:
beachbum wrote:America is doing a great disservice by allowing people to major in polisci, English, and philosophy. Or, at least, letting them use government-backed loans to do so. Liberal arts majors: Keep your fluff papers. I want my money back.


Hello There!

Philosophy and Poli Sci Major here....

Thankfully I had one fuck left by the end of the day.
to give to you!

SO YEAH .. FUCK YOU :mrgreen:

Sincerely,
liberal hearts (double) major

And you learned to be so eloquent.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby prezidentv8 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:04 am

This has potential

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Mal Reynolds » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:06 am

Legacy Rabbit wrote:
beachbum wrote:America is doing a great disservice by allowing people to major in polisci, English, and philosophy. Or, at least, letting them use government-backed loans to do so. Liberal arts majors: Keep your fluff papers. I want my money back.


Hello There!

Philosophy and Poli Sci Major here....

Thankfully I had one fuck left by the end of the day.
to give to you!

SO YEAH .. FUCK YOU :mrgreen:

Sincerely,
liberal hearts (double) major


Double major? I hear if you double up on the shitty liberal arts degrees they equal one STEM degree so maybe there is a solution after all.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby SnakySalmon » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:21 am

Mal Reynolds wrote:
Legacy Rabbit wrote:
beachbum wrote:America is doing a great disservice by allowing people to major in polisci, English, and philosophy. Or, at least, letting them use government-backed loans to do so. Liberal arts majors: Keep your fluff papers. I want my money back.


Hello There!

Philosophy and Poli Sci Major here....

Thankfully I had one fuck left by the end of the day.
to give to you!

SO YEAH .. FUCK YOU :mrgreen:

Sincerely,
liberal hearts (double) major


Double major? I hear if you double up on the shitty liberal arts degrees they equal one STEM degree so maybe there is a solution after all.


God I hope so

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:18 am

stem majors /w superiority complexes thinking orgo is going to help them perform due diligence

:lol:

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Kimikho » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:08 pm

iamgeorgebush wrote:stem majors /w superiority complexes thinking orgo is going to help them perform due diligence

:lol:


I mean, from what I've seen, orgo would help you adjust to the randomness of law school grading.

My best friend was in the top 15% of a class last year. That year, they curved the class to a 2.1. She got a 2.9.

ETA: By "randomness," I mean the idea that you could study really well and devote your life to a class, and still come away with a bad grade.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Danger Zone » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:20 pm

iamgeorgebush wrote:stem majors /w superiority complexes thinking orgo is going to help them perform due diligence

:lol:

No one is saying STEM will make you a better lawyer. We're talking about getting a job, any old job. Not performance at said job.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:01 pm

Danger Zone wrote:
iamgeorgebush wrote:stem majors /w superiority complexes thinking orgo is going to help them perform due diligence

:lol:

No one is saying STEM will make you a better lawyer. We're talking about getting a job, any old job. Not performance at said job.

yeah i don't think having majored in some STEM field is going to yield any tangible advantage over having majored in poli sci/english/philosophy/etc when it comes to getting a job as a lawyer, except for IP.

oh, you mean non-law jobs?

sorry, i thought we were on a law school forum for some reason, and that op was asking specifically about law school.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby patogordo » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:30 pm

(*scene: managing partner's office during V5 callback*)

partner: i seem to have misplaced your resume...
applicant: no problem, i maintain a web server with all of my credentials
partner: what's the ip address? i'll write a quick script to fetch them
applicant: it's the first result for "power lawyer" on duckduckgo

(* shares knowing STEM master race glance, hires you on the spot, pays signing bonus in bitcoin*)

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:11 pm

patogordo wrote:(*scene: managing partner's office during V5 callback*)

partner: i seem to have misplaced your resume...
applicant: no problem, i maintain a web server with all of my credentials
partner: what's the ip address? i'll write a quick script to fetch them
applicant: it's the first result for "power lawyer" on duckduckgo

(* shares knowing STEM master race glance, hires you on the spot, pays signing bonus in bitcoin*)

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby beachbum » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:13 pm

iamgeorgebush wrote:yeah i don't think having majored in some STEM field is going to yield any tangible advantage over having majored in poli sci/english/philosophy/etc when it comes to getting a job as a lawyer, except for IP.


Damn right. Except for that obvious tangible advantage, there is no tangible advantage to a STEM degree.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Ron Mexico » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:18 pm

scoobers wrote:Major in whatever social science you want.

Add on statistics classes and do well in them.

Take intro comp sci.

Done.


What good is intro to comp sci and a couple stats classes going to do?

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:37 pm

beachbum wrote:
iamgeorgebush wrote:yeah i don't think having majored in some STEM field is going to yield any tangible advantage over having majored in poli sci/english/philosophy/etc when it comes to getting a job as a lawyer, except for IP.


Damn right. Except for that obvious tangible advantage, there is no tangible advantage to a STEM degree.

patent work making up such a big proportion of overall legal work.

oh, wait, it doesn't.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby beachbum » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:47 pm

iamgeorgebush wrote:patent work making up such a big proportion of overall legal work.

oh, wait, it doesn't.


And thus the value of math and statistics coursework.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby phireblast » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:49 pm

0L here, poli sci major during undergrad.

You find out too late that guidance councilors really only tell you what you want to hear, and not really what you need to hear. If I could do it again, I'd have majored in one of the sciences.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:55 pm

beachbum wrote:
iamgeorgebush wrote:patent work making up such a big proportion of overall legal work.

oh, wait, it doesn't.


And thus the value of math and statistics coursework.

ok then buddy, show me some stats. let's stick to biglaw. what proportion of positions at amlaw100 firms are IP positions? i'm guessing less than 10%, but prove me wrong.

eta: let's make sure this is only patent work, not copyright/trademark work, because the latter doesn't require or benefit from stem.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby patogordo » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:00 pm

also most patent litigators are not le STEM master race and it's not particularly necessary

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:11 pm

patogordo wrote:also most patent litigators are not le STEM master race and it's not particularly necessary

credited. it can help for patent litigators but it's certainly not necessary...plenty of top patent litigators who majored in poli sci/english/philosophy/etc

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:41 pm

here beachbum, i did some work for you.

DLA Piper, the #1 firm by gross revenue of the amlaw 100, has 514 associates in the united states, 27 of whom are IP associates. for you stem folks, that's 5.25%. (and yes, i did all that w/o a stem degree...i know, crazy right??)

now beachbum, are you really proposing that it's worth majoring in a stem field in order to compete for that 5.25% of associate positions that are IP-related?

(and yes, perhaps dla piper isn't representative of the entire legal market in the united states...i doubt it, but go ahead and try to prove it if you think you can.)

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby patogordo » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:46 pm

only failed engineers go to law school anyway. so in that respect it's not a bad fallback. ipsecure is still a thing more or less. but almost certainly not worth le STEMing it up if your plan A is law school. and acting like it's gonna give you some leg up in actual practice is comical.

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Re: PolSci Major in Undergrad

Postby Mal Reynolds » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:47 pm

Enjoy DLA Piper!




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