Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby laotze » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:19 pm

Mab2013 wrote:It's this obsession with the T14 that's killing me. I don't see a big gap between UT/Vandy/UCLA and the other schools in the 9-14 range


Seriously? Compare UCLA biglaw to NU/Cornell/Michigan.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby 09042014 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:49 pm

LOL at people telling ME about the term T13.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby Archangel » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:02 pm

laotze wrote:
Mab2013 wrote:It's this obsession with the T14 that's killing me. I don't see a big gap between UT/Vandy/UCLA and the other schools in the 9-14 range


Seriously? Compare UCLA biglaw to NU/Cornell/Michigan.


http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... ctive=true

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... ctive=true

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby laotze » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:03 pm

Archangel wrote:
laotze wrote:
Mab2013 wrote:It's this obsession with the T14 that's killing me. I don't see a big gap between UT/Vandy/UCLA and the other schools in the 9-14 range


Seriously? Compare UCLA biglaw to NU/Cornell/Michigan.


http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... ctive=true

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... ctive=true


http://abovethelaw.com/schools/universi ... employment

http://abovethelaw.com/schools/cornell- ... employment

Because 58% is not a significant increase from 34%?

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby Archangel » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:13 pm

laotze wrote:
Archangel wrote:
laotze wrote:
Mab2013 wrote:It's this obsession with the T14 that's killing me. I don't see a big gap between UT/Vandy/UCLA and the other schools in the 9-14 range


Seriously? Compare UCLA biglaw to NU/Cornell/Michigan.


http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... ctive=true

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... ctive=true


http://abovethelaw.com/schools/universi ... employment

http://abovethelaw.com/schools/cornell- ... employment

Because 58% is not a significant increase from 34%?


Because it is.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby stillwater » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:19 pm

GeorgeTTTown is TTT

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby laotze » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:34 pm

Oh. Nevermind, Archangel. We're in agreement.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby Big Dog » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:40 pm

Meh, there's no hard and fast official rule for T14.


Sure there is. The national top 10 law schools -- we Americans just love top 10's -- became 14 because each and every one of them cracked the T10 at one point since USNews started publishing rankings.

For Texas or Vandy or UCLA, or...to crack the big time, they'd have to jump into the tenth spot (or better), at which time the T14 would become the T15.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby NoodleyOne » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:42 pm

It's T13. Time to move on.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby 09042014 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:05 pm

Big Dog wrote:
Meh, there's no hard and fast official rule for T14.


Sure there is. The national top 10 law schools -- we Americans just love top 10's -- became 14 because each and every one of them cracked the T10 at one point since USNews started publishing rankings.

For Texas or Vandy or UCLA, or...to crack the big time, they'd have to jump into the tenth spot (or better), at which time the T14 would become the T15.


This is retarded and not true. Northwestern wasn't in USNEWS top ten until well after T14 was a common term.

There are just happen to be 14 schools that are better than the rest. Stop overthinking it.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby Archangel » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:23 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Big Dog wrote:
Meh, there's no hard and fast official rule for T14.


Sure there is. The national top 10 law schools -- we Americans just love top 10's -- became 14 because each and every one of them cracked the T10 at one point since USNews started publishing rankings.

For Texas or Vandy or UCLA, or...to crack the big time, they'd have to jump into the tenth spot (or better), at which time the T14 would become the T15.


This is retarded and not true. Northwestern wasn't in USNEWS top ten until well after T14 was a common term.

There are just happen to be 14 schools that are better than the rest. Stop overthinking it.


http://www.law.stanford.edu/sites/defau ... l-rp20.pdf

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=213

http://www.lsatqa.com/charts/trends/rankings

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby 09042014 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:28 pm

Archangel wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Big Dog wrote:
Meh, there's no hard and fast official rule for T14.


Sure there is. The national top 10 law schools -- we Americans just love top 10's -- became 14 because each and every one of them cracked the T10 at one point since USNews started publishing rankings.

For Texas or Vandy or UCLA, or...to crack the big time, they'd have to jump into the tenth spot (or better), at which time the T14 would become the T15.


This is retarded and not true. Northwestern wasn't in USNEWS top ten until well after T14 was a common term.

There are just happen to be 14 schools that are better than the rest. Stop overthinking it.


http://www.law.stanford.edu/sites/defau ... l-rp20.pdf

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=213

http://www.lsatqa.com/charts/trends/rankings


Like I said, Northwestern in the top 10 until well after T14 was a common term. Why would anyone care about the schools who once were T10 anyway.

Use some common sense.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby hephaestus » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:43 pm

ITT: numbers that aren't round scare people. DF is on target.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby scifiguy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:26 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Big Dog wrote:
Meh, there's no hard and fast official rule for T14.


Sure there is. The national top 10 law schools -- we Americans just love top 10's -- became 14 because each and every one of them cracked the T10 at one point since USNews started publishing rankings.

For Texas or Vandy or UCLA, or...to crack the big time, they'd have to jump into the tenth spot (or better), at which time the T14 would become the T15.


This is retarded and not true. Northwestern wasn't in USNEWS top ten until well after T14 was a common term.

There are just happen to be 14 schools that are better than the rest. Stop overthinking it.



^^^
To: Mr. Desert Fox & others,

Why are there 14 schools "better than the rest?" Who chose the 14? By what criteria? ...what do we mean by "better than the rest" above?

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby stillwater » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:29 pm

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby scifiguy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:33 pm

^^^But who/what determined that reputation and placement?

Why one school over another? How did these elite schools begin to be elite?

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby stillwater » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:34 pm

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby scifiguy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:35 pm

^^

Oh. No problem. I was just curious is all.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby 09042014 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:36 pm

scifiguy wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Big Dog wrote:
Meh, there's no hard and fast official rule for T14.


Sure there is. The national top 10 law schools -- we Americans just love top 10's -- became 14 because each and every one of them cracked the T10 at one point since USNews started publishing rankings.

For Texas or Vandy or UCLA, or...to crack the big time, they'd have to jump into the tenth spot (or better), at which time the T14 would become the T15.


This is retarded and not true. Northwestern wasn't in USNEWS top ten until well after T14 was a common term.

There are just happen to be 14 schools that are better than the rest. Stop overthinking it.



^^^
To: Mr. Desert Fox & others,

Why are there 14 schools "better than the rest?" Who chose the 14? By what criteria? ...what do we mean by "better than the rest" above?


Because those are the good schools. You are getting the cause and effect backwards. Getting on some list doesn't make these schools elite. They are on the lists because they are elite.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby chuckbass » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:36 pm

scifiguy wrote:^^^But who/what determined that reputation and placement?

Why one school over another? How did these elite schools begin to be elite?

Stop asking questions.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:36 pm

stillwater wrote:national and long-standing reputation. superior placement. panty-dropping prestige.


:lol: :lol: :lol: love this expression

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby jbagelboy » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:41 am

Mab2013 wrote:It's this obsession with the T14 that's killing me. I don't see a big gap between UT/Vandy/UCLA and the other schools in the 9-14 range


Then you are missing the key point. T13 is distinct from T20 in that median can get biglaw at one but not the other. In terms of playing the odds, thats huge. The top schools have more portable degrees with many more firms showing up at OCI. There is no "T14"; georgetown is just lame and fail, but on a national level rather than a regional one, hence its peculiar purgatorial ranking.

Conversely, the difference b/t CCN and the 9-13 range is often negligible. You are looking at the wrong signs.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby jbagelboy » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:42 am

NoodleyOne wrote:It's T13. Time to move on.

+1

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:32 am

When accounting for self-selection and the difficulty of the DC market, GULC is closer to the rest of the T14 in terms of placement than it is to any of the regionals.

Also, the T14 has existed since at least the 1960s. It's not going away unless there is a significant structural change in the way a school or schools do business, or a significant change in the legal economy.

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Re: Georgetown possibly slipping off the t-14

Postby Samara » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:33 am

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:When accounting for self-selection and the difficulty of the DC market, GULC is closer to the rest of the T14 in terms of placement than it is to any of the regionals.

Also, the T14 has existed since at least the 1960s. It's not going away unless there is a significant structural change in the way a school or schools do business, or a significant change in the legal economy.

This. T13 is a stupid designation peddled by 0Ls who can't be bothered to look beyond last year's data. When fed gov and consequent DC hiring picks up, GULC will be right back up there. If NYC imploded tomorrow, NYU's placement would take a big hit and 0Ls would be yammering about NYU being a regional school that doesn't deserve to be T6.




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