Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

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Greater longer term impact: LSAT score or grades?

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LexLeon
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Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby LexLeon » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:41 pm

Debate and discuss, my friends.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:43 pm

LSAT. Firms ask about the LSAT during your SA, and if it's not up to snuff, you get no offered. And getting no offered means you'lll never work in law again.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby LexLeon » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:45 pm

Desert Fox wrote:LSAT. Firms ask about the LSAT during your SA, and if it's not up to snuff, you get no offered. And getting no offered means you'lll never work in law again.


I would suppose that the value of the LSAT score is what school it will get you into in the first place, not what potential employers think of it.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby sinfiery » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:46 pm

Ability to score high on the LSAT > Grades >>>>>>>> whatever you got on the LSAT

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby LexLeon » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:48 pm

sinfiery wrote:Ability to score high on the LSAT > Grades >>>>>>>> whatever you got on the LSAT


That's an interesting proposition. I might understand it.

Please explain.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby sinfiery » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:55 pm

LexLeon wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Ability to score high on the LSAT > Grades >>>>>>>> whatever you got on the LSAT


That's an interesting proposition. I might understand it.

Please explain.

As is evident by DFs snark as an experienced 3L, what you actually got on the LSAT is completely irrelevant past admissions.

Having a basic ability to synthesize the flaws in arguments is a skill that transfers towards anything you do, to a certain extent. 1L grades will just help aid you in getting your foot in the door for a job.

They aren't directly comparable strengths but my personal preference and experiences dictate me to favor the former than the latter.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby guano » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:08 pm

Top LSAT -> median at T6 -> biglaw

Median LSAT -> top at a TTT -> shitlaw

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby tfer2222 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:14 pm

guano wrote:Top LSAT -> median at T6 -> biglaw

Median LSAT -> top at a TTT -> shitlaw


true, but one could also do meh LSAT --> top at T1 --> biglaw.

it's really just a balancing test.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby twenty » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:07 pm

I'd much rather be the very bottom person in my class at Columbia than the very top person in my class at Charlotte.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby Barack O'Drama » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:30 am

Desert Fox wrote:LSAT. Firms ask about the LSAT during your SA, and if it's not up to snuff, you get no offered. And getting no offered means you'lll never work in law again.



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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby RodneyRuxin » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:14 am

If you can get biglaw either way, grades stop mattering long term and then it's just the name on the resume and the diploma on your wall. We're in a prestige oriented profession and the name matters to clients and firms.

LSAT.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby Borg » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:24 am

LSAT. Good grades at a lower ranked school can get you biglaw, but it's still an uphill battle even with law review and every other mark of distinction you can get. You also have to take more pains to explain how well you did at your lower ranked school throughout your life, whereas a Yale, Stanford, Harvard, Columbia, Berkeley etc. grad can just say they went to school at one of those places and it's sort of the end of the story. They also get the benefit of alumni networks full of similarly qualified people, while the best at a non-T-14 is in the position of being the "best house on the block" so to speak and doesn't have a wide network of alumni who are involved in the same type of career.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby tfer2222 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:27 pm

RodneyRuxin wrote:If you can get biglaw either way, grades stop mattering long term and then it's just the name on the resume and the diploma on your wall. We're in a prestige oriented profession and the name matters to clients and firms.

LSAT.


I agree with this to a certain extent, except I think the more important long-term factor is the experience you get, not only a school name. And when it comes to "prestigious" work experience that will get you further in your career, a lot of that depends on 1L grades. Like I said, I think its somewhat of a balance.

Although in the end, yeah, LSAT is the most initially important because if your school sucks that much then you won't have much of a chance of getting any good work experience anyway.

Also, LSAT isn't just about school rank -- its about $$$$ from schools. so yeah that also tips the scales more towards LSAT.

i could be biased, but whaaaatever :lol:

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby magp90 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:31 pm

None of the above. Guys it's obviously the SAT.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby jselson » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:14 pm

magp90 wrote:None of the above. Guys it's obviously your parents' income.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby paranoia4ya » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:25 pm

depends, duh.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby rickgrimes69 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:45 pm

LexLeon wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:LSAT. Firms ask about the LSAT during your SA, and if it's not up to snuff, you get no offered. And getting no offered means you'lll never work in law again.


I would suppose that the value of the LSAT score is what school it will get you into in the first place, not what potential employers think of it.


whoosh

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby westphillybandr » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:48 pm

Threads like these man. Threads like these.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby stillwater » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:01 pm

LexLeon has proven thru his posts he may not have a single foot on the ground.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby 2014 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:11 am

I would be ELATED if firms decided to ask about the LSAT at OCI.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby Sheffield » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:57 am

2014 wrote:I would be ELATED if firms decided to ask about the LSAT at OCI.

They figure it out without asking... the school you are attending = your LSAT. As far as long term, it could be argued either way. Your LSAT landed you that golden opportunity LS, or it left you with hopes of becoming a traffic ticket attorney. On the other hand your 1L grades will determine if your paycheck is $3K a week, or $300.00 a week. LSAT/1L Grades… hand and glove kinda deal.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby Nova » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:59 am

Sheffield wrote:
2014 wrote:I would be ELATED if firms decided to ask about the LSAT at OCI.

They figure it out without asking... the school you are attending = your LSAT.

Unless youre this poor soul
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=210827

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby Sheffield » Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:36 am

Nova wrote:
Sheffield wrote:
2014 wrote:I would be ELATED if firms decided to ask about the LSAT at OCI.

They figure it out without asking... the school you are attending = your LSAT.

Unless youre this poor soul
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=210827

If I read it right, hard for me to label that outcome. Looks to be someone from Rutgers, Temple or Nova. I have an acquaintance at Temple, with very good grades but (the last I heard) struck out at their almost non-existent OCI (as I hear it). In the case you noted, my wishy-washy opinion is, LSAT did him/her no favors, ditto grades. The fact that the prof got the person an internship was probably the best that could be hoped for given that LSAT/Grades pave the road.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:29 am

Sheffield wrote:
2014 wrote:I would be ELATED if firms decided to ask about the LSAT at OCI.

They figure it out without asking... the school you are attending = your LSAT. As far as long term, it could be argued either way. Your LSAT landed you that golden opportunity LS, or it left you with hopes of becoming a traffic ticket attorney. On the other hand your 1L grades will determine if your paycheck is $3K a week, or $300.00 a week. LSAT/1L Grades… hand and glove kinda deal.


Eh. If you are part of the 25%-30% minority population, your LSAT is more likely a couple points below, since if it was on par with the schools median the urm boost would push you to a higher tier and they most likely wouldnt be attending that school -- a 170 aa will be at Harvard, not Duke. So asking about LSAT is a distinct procedure for those candidates. Same with super splitters. I doubt NoodleyOne's future employers will know he hit 179.

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Re: Which is more important long-term: LSAT score or 1L grades?

Postby Summerz » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:57 am

I am of the opinion that the LS you attend may not indicate your LSAT score. I attend a LS that gave me a considerable discount, whereas I could have attended a T14 but it would have been close to sticker. Noting that fact with whomever is evaluating you might be appropriate, especially if you have good grades. Whether it would help or not, no idea.




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