Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

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Fish127
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Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby Fish127 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:28 am

So I realize that chances at Big Law depend on a lot of factors, such as interviewing skills, grades, etc. But if anybody could give me an idea of what the likelihood of making Big Law is for T14 graduates in the current market that would be really helpful.

1) YHS
2) CCN
3) PVBM
4) DNCG

Sorry if I got the tiers mixed up.

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby sublime » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:40 am

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby curious66 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:12 am

Fish127 wrote:So I realize that chances at Big Law depend on a lot of factors, such as interviewing skills, grades, etc. But if anybody could give me an idea of what the likelihood of making Big Law is for T14 graduates in the current market that would be really helpful.

1) YHS
2) CCN
3) PVBM
4) DNCG

Sorry if I got the tiers mixed up.


Duke should be higher since it is rocking the biglaw placement stats very consistently.

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby Bronte » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:14 am

curious66 wrote:Duke should be higher since it is rocking the biglaw placement stats very consistently.


And it begins.

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby drive4showLSAT4dough » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:40 am

Tagging with fuel for the fire

BigLaw Only:
YHS
CCNP
DNCB
MV
.....
G

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby Lexaholik » Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:24 am

Fish127 wrote:So I realize that chances at Big Law depend on a lot of factors, such as interviewing skills, grades, etc. But if anybody could give me an idea of what the likelihood of making Big Law is for T14 graduates in the current market that would be really helpful.

1) YHS
2) CCN
3) PVBM
4) DNCG

Sorry if I got the tiers mixed up.


can't speak to (1) and (2) but once you venture in to the (3) and (4) zone, biglaw placement is pretty much equal. the difference is that a school like P might place "better" into biglaw because students there tend to be more interested in biglaw, while B might look worse than it really is because lots are interested in public interest. (i don't know if these conclusions are necessarily true but that's why i'd hesitate to draw inferences about placement based on % biglaw placement data)

you also have to think about what your skills are. if you're a great interviewer but a so-so test taker you may be better off avoiding a school like V because they don't have a lottery system for interviewing. (this was true a few years ago, not sure if it still is). and strangely, some schools benefit from having a tiny class size--some biglaw firms will want to have a good mix of students from top schools, so you can get the same placement (for example, DC biglaw) at NU from median as you can with GULC from top 1/3.

basically it all comes down to what you want and what your skills are. the differences among schools do matter, but perhaps not in the straightforward way that most think.

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Postby rad lulz » Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:27 am

Lawschooltransparency.com

Be sure to consider how many get federal clerkships as well

There you go.

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby curious66 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:46 am

zombie associate wrote:
Fish127 wrote:So I realize that chances at Big Law depend on a lot of factors, such as interviewing skills, grades, etc. But if anybody could give me an idea of what the likelihood of making Big Law is for T14 graduates in the current market that would be really helpful.

1) YHS
2) CCN
3) PVBM
4) DNCG

Sorry if I got the tiers mixed up.


can't speak to (1) and (2) but once you venture in to the (3) and (4) zone, biglaw placement is pretty much equal. the difference is that a school like P might place "better" into biglaw because students there tend to be more interested in biglaw, while B might look worse than it really is because lots are interested in public interest. (i don't know if these conclusions are necessarily true but that's why i'd hesitate to draw inferences about placement based on % biglaw placement data)

you also have to think about what your skills are. if you're a great interviewer but a so-so test taker you may be better off avoiding a school like V because they don't have a lottery system for interviewing. (this was true a few years ago, not sure if it still is). and strangely, some schools benefit from having a tiny class size--some biglaw firms will want to have a good mix of students from top schools, so you can get the same placement (for example, DC biglaw) at NU from median as you can with GULC from top 1/3.

basically it all comes down to what you want and what your skills are. the differences among schools do matter, but perhaps not in the straightforward way that most think.

+1 agreed. This has merit.

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby Legen..waitforit » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:12 pm

I'm a 0L and don't know shit for shit about legal employment, and all that but IMO...


FED CLERKSHIPS AND BIGLAW RANKINGS
1)HYS
2)CCNP
3)VBDNC (M?)
4)(M?) G


No particular order within tiers. These rankings mirror the 2012 employment graphs thrown around on TLS.

If we were to substitute "biglaw" for gainful legal employment in a law firm/clerkship (51+ employees, fed clerkships (state clerkships? naww)), the schools would shuffle I think...

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby sinfiery » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:48 pm

Legen..waitforit wrote:I'm a 0L and don't know shit for shit about legal employment, and all that but IMO...


FED CLERKSHIPS AND BIGLAW RANKINGS
1)HYS
2)CCNP
3)VBDNC (M?)
4)(M?) G


No particular order within tiers. These rankings mirror the 2012 employment graphs thrown around on TLS.

If we were to substitute "biglaw" for gainful legal employment in a law firm/clerkship (51+ employees, fed clerkships (state clerkships? naww)), the schools would shuffle I think...



Don't pull an ATL now..

Rankings are clearly:
PCCS
HND
BCV
NMY


G

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby 071816 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:07 pm

UCI should be included in this discussion, as it will clearly be in the T14 within a few years.

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby senorhosh » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:11 pm

drive4showLSAT4dough wrote:Tagging with fuel for the fire

BigLaw Only:
YHS
CCNP
DNCB
MV
.....
G


THIS

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby jbagelboy » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:35 pm

These crap tier discussions are tiresome. Everyone who isnt going to yale, harvard or stanford just chill

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby rickgrimes69 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:18 am

HYS, T13, G. Those are the only tiers that matter. Anybody who tells you T10 or T6 is a thing goes to Michigan or NYU.

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby kaiser » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:22 am

rickgrimes69 wrote:HYS, T13, G. Those are the only tiers that matter. Anybody who tells you T10 or T6 is a thing goes to Michigan or NYU.


Something tells me you wouldn't be saying that if Duke had been ranked one spot higher this year :)

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:13 pm

How would the tiers look if a person was dead set on Gov/PI

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Re: Big law Chances for T14 Graduates

Postby Bronte » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:11 pm

justonemoregame wrote:How would the tiers look if a person was dead set on Gov/PI


The tiers are a myth. They change from year to year as 0Ls myopically fixate on the most recent US News and NLJ 250 report. During my cycle, Virginia was the best thing ever and Berkeley was on its way out of the T14. Now we've got posters putting Virginia in a subtier below Berkeley. It's nonsense.




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