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I was involuntarily commitment for about 40 hours. Do I need to report this?

Details (if you want to know. I am going to be intentionally vague). This is a VERY LONG story, so beware:

A therapist lied to the county about a conversation we had. She wrongly alleged I threatened to /self. It was the only line the hospital had that WAS NOT recorded.

Three days before the call, I was in that hospital's ER to get a rx for pysch meds. My request was denied, and I was referred to a clinic I did not qualify for. The hospital assured me I would be re assigned to the correct one at the intake, I wasn't. Instead, I was directed to a different clinic, which did not meet my needs.

I left a series or belligerent messages with the hospital during this ordeal, which started a week before the commitment. I called the hospital numerous times for outpatient referrals. The administrators kept connecting me to organizations that either didn't have pysch's or were over an hour away, and eventually they told me to come to the ER and I would get meds, a full evaluation, and an immediate apt with a pysch.

I go to the ER, none of that happened. The dr promised I would see a pysch within 1 week of the intake. When I went to the intake, I was told I didn't qualify, and that, even if I did, it would take 2mths+ to see one.

At the ER, I told the dr my symptoms (suicidal, self harm, insomnia, hypomania transitioning to pyschosis- all of which were caused by a medication I was prescribed). When I was talking to the therapist on the phone, I told her exactly what I told the dr, and said my symptoms did not worsen.

She called a crisis team who came to my parents house, I told them I was fine, and asked them to leave.

In the application, they lied and said I refused to let them inside and refused to make a safety plan. If they told me I had to make one or the police would be called, I would have...I'm not that fucking crazy. The therapist also lied in the application, and claimed she asked to make a safety plan. She lied bc she is required to ask that if she suspects I'm suicidal-she did call back, but did not leave a message.

After the crisis team left, a few hours later the police showed up with a court order to get an evaluation. They were very respectful and nice, and I didn't make a scene. They refused to let me see the petition, contest it, contact a lawyer, or explain my rights.

They forced me to go the hospital I had issues with-they offered me a job and illegally revoked it, and I am in the process of filing a lawsuit against them, and I left some vulgar messages.

When I arrived at the hospital, they refused to let me sign myself in, saying I was incompetent...yet they decided to commit me.

They refused to transfer me, which is a violation of their patient BOR. They refused to let me speak to an attorney or get a second evaluation.

I spoke to the ER dr for less than 10 minutes, and he was all "I've seen countless people exactly like you with exactly the same symptoms...etc;" He blatantly lied on the intake evaluation (I have copies of everything from the county). He even claimed I made statements I never did, even though he admitted he didn't hear me say them, and that other people told him I made those statements. He refused to listen to my advocates. One of whom was my father, who was with me the entire day and could verify I never made any suicidal statements or refuse to let the crisis team in/make a safety plan.

They didn't feed me the entire time I was there, bc I am an organic veggie (dr's reccomendations), and didn't let me order food or have anyone bring me food.

They put me on the same floor I interviewed on as part of a 4 hour job shadow "try out" for the first 15 hours. I shadowed one of the floor monitors.

They refused to let me contact an attorney the entire time I was there.

The dr I met the first morning promised me the social worker would contact advocates who could testify on my behalf. Multiple friends and my parents agreed to come to my hearing. I was admitted Wed night and they told me I'd have a hearing on Friday, but didn't tell me what time or where it was located.

I ended up not seeing the social worker until an hour before the hearing, and she was supposed to talk to my advocates and then make a recomendation to the dr, who would testify.

I was told the time of the hearing less than an hour, and the hospital refused to let me notify ANYONE, meaning I wasn't able to get people to testify.

They made me go almost an entire day without my subs.

They never put me on any meds.

I didn't see the attorney until 30 minutes before the hearing, and he tried to walk out before listening to my account. He claimed his job was to "make sure they commit me legally," to which I responded "aren't you supposed to represent MY interests?"

He talked to me for several minutes. I actually was able to get a hold of my personal attorney, who said I should be discharged at the hearing, and to let him know if I was held, so he could either fight it or get me a MH attorney.

The first day I was there, I was given an unsigned notice to apply for a 303 (involuntary stay for up to 20 days). When I got my file from the co, I found out they applied for that BEFORE I was even admitted and met with my treatment team. Under the hospitals policy they are not allowed to do that before you meet your treatment team.

In the file, the dr I met the 1st day claimed I refused to voluntarily commit, then testified that I did try to do so.

The opposing attorney was a stupid bitch and sucked, and pissed off the hearing officer, who agreed to discharge me. He told me I'd meet with the dr before I left and they'd tell me what I needed to do.

I was discharged without any meds or rx, and the hospital didn't make ANY outpatient apts for me.

Yet in my file the disposition states I need to get 20 days of outpatient treatment from that hospital.

Nobody explained to me what the hearing was, what I need to do, my rights, that I had the right to appeal w/n 20 days, and why I wasn't allowed to have advocates.

The only thing I signed when released was a verification that I received a discharge packet.

The dr never talked to me after the hearing, and nobody at the hospital explained what I needed to do.

I am in the process of appealing the whole thing, because I DON'T want that on my record for MANY reasons. The PD lied to me and said they didn't have to represent me if I lost the appeal and wanted to go through the expungement process. I went online to some ask a lawyer website and one idiot claimed I couldn't get it off my record...even though I talked to the county, PD, Mental Health America, and multiple private attorneys who said I could.

I am filing charged against the petitioner next week at the magistrate, because I can have my dad testify I never made those statements, so this might get overturned.

Do I need to report this to my law school? I'm afraid they won't let me come back...

Or should I wait to see if I win the appeal/get it expunged (the expungement hearing wouldn't occur for several weeks).

The worst part is that the pysch hospital I was at is ranked in the top 10 nationally...

I was treated worse than an object...completely dehumanizing.

This wasn't my first pysch hospital stay, but it was the worst, most traumatic experience of my life.

Luckily the hearing officer immediately saw that I did not need to be involuntarily committed for an additional amount of time. The dr's did say if I was forced to stay, it would only be for a few days. I caught the other attorney in a lie at the hearing, which helped because after that the hearing officer kept rolling his eyes when the bitch lawyer spoke. She was the only one requesting me to stay...the dr was fine with outpatient and said when we met he wouldn't request me to stay as long as I was chill.


But you can not trust the staff at those places. The whole thing was total bull shit, and hopefully I can get it off my record.

I don't know the answer. As an aside, are you sure law is the profession for you?

throw-away-soon wrote:I was involuntarily commitment for about 40 hours. Do I need to report this?

Details (if you want to know. I am going to be intentionally vague). This is a VERY LONG story, so beware:

A therapist lied to the county about a conversation we had. She wrongly alleged I threatened to /self. It was the only line the hospital had that WAS NOT recorded.

Three days before the call, I was in that hospital's ER to get a rx for pysch meds. My request was denied, and I was referred to a clinic I did not qualify for. The hospital assured me I would be re assigned to the correct one at the intake, I wasn't. Instead, I was directed to a different clinic, which did not meet my needs.

I left a series or belligerent messages with the hospital during this ordeal, which started a week before the commitment. I called the hospital numerous times for outpatient referrals. The administrators kept connecting me to organizations that either didn't have pysch's or were over an hour away, and eventually they told me to come to the ER and I would get meds, a full evaluation, and an immediate apt with a pysch.

I go to the ER, none of that happened. The dr promised I would see a pysch within 1 week of the intake. When I went to the intake, I was told I didn't qualify, and that, even if I did, it would take 2mths+ to see one.

At the ER, I told the dr my symptoms (suicidal, self harm, insomnia, hypomania transitioning to pyschosis- all of which were caused by a medication I was prescribed). When I was talking to the therapist on the phone, I told her exactly what I told the dr, and said my symptoms did not worsen.

She called a crisis team who came to my parents house, I told them I was fine, and asked them to leave.

In the application, they lied and said I refused to let them inside and refused to make a safety plan. If they told me I had to make one or the police would be called, I would have...I'm not that fucking crazy. The therapist also lied in the application, and claimed she asked to make a safety plan. She lied bc she is required to ask that if she suspects I'm suicidal-she did call back, but did not leave a message.

After the crisis team left, a few hours later the police showed up with a court order to get an evaluation. They were very respectful and nice, and I didn't make a scene. They refused to let me see the petition, contest it, contact a lawyer, or explain my rights.

They forced me to go the hospital I had issues with-they offered me a job and illegally revoked it, and I am in the process of filing a lawsuit against them, and I left some vulgar messages.

When I arrived at the hospital, they refused to let me sign myself in, saying I was incompetent...yet they decided to commit me.

They refused to transfer me, which is a violation of their patient BOR. They refused to let me speak to an attorney or get a second evaluation.

I spoke to the ER dr for less than 10 minutes, and he was all "I've seen countless people exactly like you with exactly the same symptoms...etc;" He blatantly lied on the intake evaluation (I have copies of everything from the county). He even claimed I made statements I never did, even though he admitted he didn't hear me say them, and that other people told him I made those statements. He refused to listen to my advocates. One of whom was my father, who was with me the entire day and could verify I never made any suicidal statements or refuse to let the crisis team in/make a safety plan.

They didn't feed me the entire time I was there, bc I am an organic veggie (dr's reccomendations), and didn't let me order food or have anyone bring me food.

They put me on the same floor I interviewed on as part of a 4 hour job shadow "try out" for the first 15 hours. I shadowed one of the floor monitors.

They refused to let me contact an attorney the entire time I was there.

The dr I met the first morning promised me the social worker would contact advocates who could testify on my behalf. Multiple friends and my parents agreed to come to my hearing. I was admitted Wed night and they told me I'd have a hearing on Friday, but didn't tell me what time or where it was located.

I ended up not seeing the social worker until an hour before the hearing, and she was supposed to talk to my advocates and then make a recomendation to the dr, who would testify.

I was told the time of the hearing less than an hour, and the hospital refused to let me notify ANYONE, meaning I wasn't able to get people to testify.

They made me go almost an entire day without my subs.

They never put me on any meds.

I didn't see the attorney until 30 minutes before the hearing, and he tried to walk out before listening to my account. He claimed his job was to "make sure they commit me legally," to which I responded "aren't you supposed to represent MY interests?"

He talked to me for several minutes. I actually was able to get a hold of my personal attorney, who said I should be discharged at the hearing, and to let him know if I was held, so he could either fight it or get me a MH attorney.

The first day I was there, I was given an unsigned notice to apply for a 303 (involuntary stay for up to 20 days). When I got my file from the co, I found out they applied for that BEFORE I was even admitted and met with my treatment team. Under the hospitals policy they are not allowed to do that before you meet your treatment team.

In the file, the dr I met the 1st day claimed I refused to voluntarily commit, then testified that I did try to do so.

The opposing attorney was a stupid bitch and sucked, and pissed off the hearing officer, who agreed to discharge me. He told me I'd meet with the dr before I left and they'd tell me what I needed to do.

I was discharged without any meds or rx, and the hospital didn't make ANY outpatient apts for me.

Yet in my file the disposition states I need to get 20 days of outpatient treatment from that hospital.

Nobody explained to me what the hearing was, what I need to do, my rights, that I had the right to appeal w/n 20 days, and why I wasn't allowed to have advocates.

The only thing I signed when released was a verification that I received a discharge packet.

The dr never talked to me after the hearing, and nobody at the hospital explained what I needed to do.

I am in the process of appealing the whole thing, because I DON'T want that on my record for MANY reasons. The PD lied to me and said they didn't have to represent me if I lost the appeal and wanted to go through the expungement process. I went online to some ask a lawyer website and one idiot claimed I couldn't get it off my record...even though I talked to the county, PD, Mental Health America, and multiple private attorneys who said I could.

I am filing charged against the petitioner next week at the magistrate, because I can have my dad testify I never made those statements, so this might get overturned.

Do I need to report this to my law school? I'm afraid they won't let me come back...

Or should I wait to see if I win the appeal/get it expunged (the expungement hearing wouldn't occur for several weeks).

The worst part is that the pysch hospital I was at is ranked in the top 10 nationally...

I was treated worse than an object...completely dehumanizing.

This wasn't my first pysch hospital stay, but it was the worst, most traumatic experience of my life.

Luckily the hearing officer immediately saw that I did not need to be involuntarily committed for an additional amount of time. The dr's did say if I was forced to stay, it would only be for a few days. I caught the other attorney in a lie at the hearing, which helped because after that the hearing officer kept rolling his eyes when the bitch lawyer spoke. She was the only one requesting me to stay...the dr was fine with outpatient and said when we met he wouldn't request me to stay as long as I was chill.


But you can not trust the staff at those places. The whole thing was total bull shit, and hopefully I can get it off my record.

i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

commoner wrote:i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn't ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state's bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual's perceptions of reality.

There's really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I'm about to, and I'm not a doctor so forgive me if I'm off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don't want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

CO2016YEAH wrote:

commoner wrote:i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn't ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state's bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual's perceptions of reality.

There's really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I'm about to, and I'm not a doctor so forgive me if I'm off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don't want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

I must disagree with the above partially. How the hell would a bar association know if someone is bipolar or schizophrenic?

Also, I do not think that advising someone with a disability not to go into a profession is nice or wise. I believe there is a Nobel prize winner who is schizophrenic, and if you read Steve Jobs' bio it is pretty clear that he had some serious issues when he was younger. His employer could not keep him around the other employees as he refused to shower.

After rereading the OP's post it seems that a break is in order as he/she is having all kinds of severe mental disorders but that does not mean that eventually OP cannot become a lawyer or whatever he/she wants to do.

You do not need to report it, nor should you.

commoner wrote:

CO2016YEAH wrote:

commoner wrote:i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn't ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state's bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual's perceptions of reality.

There's really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I'm about to, and I'm not a doctor so forgive me if I'm off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don't want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

I must disagree with the above partially. How the hell would a bar association know if someone is bipolar or schizophrenic?

Also, I do not think that advising someone with a disability not to go into a profession is nice or wise. I believe there is a Nobel prize winner who is schizophrenic, and if you read Steve Jobs' bio it is pretty clear that he had some serious issues when he was younger. His employer could not keep him around the other employees as he refused to shower.

After rereading the OP's post it seems that a break is in order as he/she is having all kinds of severe mental disorders but that does not mean that eventually OP cannot become a lawyer or whatever he/she wants to do.

I don't know how they'll know, but I'm relatively sure they will ask. If there has been a diagnosis I don't think it would be wise to conceal it if the bar does indeed ask.

Also, I didn't outright tell OP to forget law, but I did suggest OP look into whether he/she will be able to clear c&f, as well as to consider if law is actually the best profession for he/she. I stand by all of this. It would be a shame to finish law schook only to be denied on c&f grounds. Even of there are issues OP may be able to gain admission; the advice is to proceed as informed as possible and with introspection.

The issue was CAUSED by the medications I was on.

What happened was this nurse practicioner prescribed me medications and didn't tell me the side effects included suicidal thoughts and insomnia. I called her multiple times about all of this, and she didn't return my calls.

I found out after looking the medications up online that the suicidal thoughts were a relatively common side effect, so I stopped taking it. The feelings didn't just stop, but they wouldn't have occurred if not for the medications.

After reading about it, I found out I shouldn't have been prescribed it to begin with, and the nurse pract. didn't ask me all of the proper screening questions. She was mad because I was taking longer than 15mins, and she scheduled someone 15mins after my appointment. So she just handed me the rx and told me to call her if there were issues.

I am asking for you guys to PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. I have gone through a seriously traumatic, dehumanizing experience that most of you haven't been through. I wouldn't wish a 302 on anyone. It's terrifying because you're stripped of your rights, and even if you report the hospital, people tend not to believe you because you're labeled as crazy.

Basically if you raise issues, they'll say things like you aren't in touch with reality or you're incapable of comprehending what's going on.

I mean you can't have shoes with laces on it, hoodies with strings, a toothbrush, etc;

They treat you terribly, and you honestly don't really get any treatment. The only group they actually had? Fucking music therapy...

I didn't see a counselor/therapist/pyschologist the entire time I was there, and wasn't put on any meds.

YES, I am sure I want to be a lawyer. Law clicks with me, and the Dean at my law school told me all of my Prof's were very impressed with me when I was in school, and that I had a "bright" future, and they really wanted me to come back.

Yes, I have a serious mood disorder, but plenty of very successful people have the same problems. And I'm not stupid. I had a procterred IQ test in grade school and tested over the 95th percentile, and I'm only saying that because people always assume people in my situation are stupid, and or call me things like retarded because of my situation.

it really hurts when people are trying to convince you you're crazy and telling you you're lying when you KNOW what you said and did, and NOBODY with any power believes you.

For anyone that wants to make a hateful, spiteful comment, I gaurentee one day you or someone you love/care about will go through a mental health crisis, and you're perspective will change when you see how they're treated.

So please don't harass me or make me feel any worse or more embarassed about what happened. I had to deal with a crisis team showing up at my parents house, and then two cop cars pulling up and handcuffing me in front of my father over a fabricated accusation.

CO2016YEAH wrote:

commoner wrote:

CO2016YEAH wrote:

commoner wrote:i predict EPIC thread.

Seriously though no one is going to know if you were involuntarily committed. As your 0L attorney, I advise you to keep your mouth shut about this. However ask yourself this hard question (if you are indeed going to law school in the near future): Are you mentally stable enough to go through a very stressful year of law school? If not, take a break, find a psychiatrist/psychologist who is not mean and start the process of getting under control. I really do not mean to insult you and if you want contact me via PM

I agree pretty much with all of this.

However, if the law school doesn't ask about such issues and you determine there is no need to mention this you should explore what your state's bar association will ask. Applications, I believe, typically ask c&f questions pertaining to addiction and psychological disorders such as schitophrenia(spell check) and bipolar disorder, which could stand to affect the individual's perceptions of reality.

There's really no pleasant or completely inoffensive was to say what I'm about to, and I'm not a doctor so forgive me if I'm off base, but your depiction of your actions and the circumstance in the story above does not really come across exuding the type of reason and balanced state necessary to clear these benchmarks.

I don't want to send you into a depressive state, but I really think it might be in your best interest to explore other, potentially more stress free professions. One of my reasons, and not the least of which, is due to the fact you may have a difficult time passing c&f when it comes time to get admitted to the bar.

Good luck, OP.

I must disagree with the above partially. How the hell would a bar association know if someone is bipolar or schizophrenic?

Also, I do not think that advising someone with a disability not to go into a profession is nice or wise. I believe there is a Nobel prize winner who is schizophrenic, and if you read Steve Jobs' bio it is pretty clear that he had some serious issues when he was younger. His employer could not keep him around the other employees as he refused to shower.

After rereading the OP's post it seems that a break is in order as he/she is having all kinds of severe mental disorders but that does not mean that eventually OP cannot become a lawyer or whatever he/she wants to do.

I don't know how they'll know, but I'm relatively sure they will ask. If there has been a diagnosis I don't think it would be wise to conceal it if the bar does indeed ask.

Also, I didn't outright tell OP to forget law, but I did suggest OP look into whether he/she will be able to clear c&f, as well as to consider if law is actually the best profession for he/she. I stand by all of this. It would be a shame to finish law schook only to be denied on c&f grounds. Even of there are issues OP may be able to gain admission; the advice is to proceed as informed as possible and with introspection.

I talked to a C&F lawyer before the 302 and he said I'd pass as long as there aren't any more legal issues. He offered to do everything pro bono. Every one of his 200 clients have passed the bar.

The law school dean agreed, and offered to testify on my behalf at the C&F hearing.

Bipolar disorder "peaks" in the early and mid 20s, so basically this is most likely the worst my MH problems will be, especially since I'm barely even drink now. I'm trying to get TMS treatment, which is currently the most effective and least harmful treatment for depression, anxiety, and mood disorders. You get it 5 days a week for 4-6 weeks 1-2 times a year. My insurance will actually cover it. As long as I get accepted to the TMS program, I will likely (80%) be symptom free for 6 months starting in July. I can then get TMS over winter break, so it wouldn't interfer with school.

I don't plan on returning to school until I feel like I can manage things. Law school is a $40,000 investment for me (all 3 years), so I want to make sure I am in a good situation before I return. I got over the addiction part, which will make the MH bit so much easier to deal with.

OP I don't think you need to report this. But find out from an expert. Your state bar association may have some advice for you.

The bar wants people who need help to get help.

NYstate wrote:OP I don't think you need to report this. But find out from an expert. Your state bar association may have some advice for you.

The bar wants people who need help to get help.

Thanks

throw-away-soon wrote:it really hurts when people are trying to convince you you're crazy and telling you you're lying when you KNOW what you said and did, and NOBODY with any power believes you.

I hope you are feeling better.

Once upon a time, I was standing on a subway platform when a rugged-looking homeless man approached me and started talking. My headphones were in and my music was playing, so I didn't hear the first few things he said. I had already had two other panhandlers come up to me earlier in the week, so I unplugged my ears and instantly said "sorry man, I don't have anything". A look of frustration spread across his face, and through his rotting teeth he sourly remarked that he wasn't asking for anything, and walked away. I was puzzled and a little embarrassed. To this day, I still wonder what he approached me for.

The point of my story is that it's not that we all think you're lying, it's that 98% of mentally disturbed people say the same thing. If you want people to think you're crazy, then go on long-winded rants about how your therapist was out to get you, and lied to get you involuntarily committed. (Again, I'm not calling you a liar). If you want people to think you're a sane individual, then shrug off the incident as a fit of exhaustion caused by a bad reaction to new medication.

Please don't interpret this as my judgement of you, for I speak (partially) from experience. I have a misdemeanor on my criminal record, and I have found that playing the victim is often the cause of much eye-rolling.

I'm not proffering legal advice here, just suggesting that you face this incident with a different attitude.

Just curious: which law school do you attend?

Won the appeal, so now I have to file for an "expungement" of the original commitment.

I lucked out at the hearing. The judge teaches at the law school I'm attending, the PD was the same one who did my preliminary hearing in January, and the "prosecuter" withdrew the petition after maybe 5 minutes. They all basically told me how to get the commitment off my record and that I had a "better" reason to get it off my record because I'm not doing it just to get a gun.

Luckily the county I live in is very treatment oriented, so honestly the judges and lawyers I have dealt with are much nicer and much more helpful than 90% of the doctor's I've dealt with.

glebe wrote:

throw-away-soon wrote:it really hurts when people are trying to convince you you're crazy and telling you you're lying when you KNOW what you said and did, and NOBODY with any power believes you.

I hope you are feeling better.

Once upon a time, I was standing on a subway platform when a rugged-looking homeless man approached me and started talking. My headphones were in and my music was playing, so I didn't hear the first few things he said. I had already had two other panhandlers come up to me earlier in the week, so I unplugged my ears and instantly said "sorry man, I don't have anything". A look of frustration spread across his face, and through his rotting teeth he sourly remarked that he wasn't asking for anything, and walked away. I was puzzled and a little embarrassed. To this day, I still wonder what he approached me for.

The point of my story is that it's not that we all think you're lying, it's that 98% of mentally disturbed people say the same thing. If you want people to think you're crazy, then go on long-winded rants about how your therapist was out to get you, and lied to get you involuntarily committed. (Again, I'm not calling you a liar). If you want people to think you're a sane individual, then shrug off the incident as a fit of exhaustion caused by a bad reaction to new medication.

Please don't interpret this as my judgement of you, for I speak (partially) from experience. I have a misdemeanor on my criminal record, and I have found that playing the victim is often the cause of much eye-rolling.

I'm not proffering legal advice here, just suggesting that you face this incident with a different attitude.

Yes, I have issues, but I am not close to what stereotypical mental health inpatient people are like (incoherent, voices). The woman whose hearing was before me was walking like Frankenstien-her arms were fully extended and she was wobbling side to side, so compared to those people, judges and lawyers don't think I'm insane. And they all have believed my story. The law school scholarship to the best school in my city helps, as dose some of my WE. They basically assume I'm intelligent because of the things I've done and the schools I've gone to, grades I received. And I'm a white female, so that helps a lot.

It's benefited me that my case was actually overseen by the county and legal people, because they were able to see through that therapist's story. She didn't even show up to the appeal. Every legal person I dealt with on this situation has believed me, including judges, defense attorney's, and the last prosecutor. I mean they withdrew the last petition within 5 minutes, so they clearly saw something was off.


If I win the "expungement" on the grounds that it was an improper commitment, the judge said I likely wouldn't have to pay. Otherwise I will have to go civil.

I don't understand what your question is. What would you need to report to your law school? It doesn't sound like you were arrested, and there's no law that I know of against getting medical treatment.

bearsfan23 wrote:I don't understand what your question is. What would you need to report to your law school? It doesn't sound like you were arrested, and there's no law that I know of against getting medical treatment.

I think because it can effect her chances about being admitted to the bar. Also she is on medical leave due to her mental illness that she said contributed to her being arrested for drug charges. Idk I know this is real but it sounds like a damn movie.

So, contrary to popular belief, if the state than you plan to apply to the bar in has a question concerning this type of medical treatment on their bar application, you must disclose it, even if it was/will be expunged. If it is asked on your law school app, you also must disclose it there cuz these suckers cross check EVERYTHING! More than likely they will just ask for an explanation and you should be fine. I just wouldn't take the chance of not telling them and then being denied bar admission after all that hard work.

OP, your story is heartbreaking. I really feel for you bc I've seen first hand the incompetencies of doctors and other medical professionals when I was accompanying a relative who had a chronic health conditon in and out of the hospital. Only you and your family can be your best advocates...and that sucks when you are literally and figuratively helpless with lack of knowledge and rights.

At first blush, I wouldn't think you'd have to report this to ur school bc its not criminal. And I would be highly doubtful tht they would even attempt to pry into your medical records because of HIPAA laws. Same with the bar. Id double check c&f with your lawyer, but id be really surprised if they held this against you. I wouldn't say anything, if at all, until you have this all straightened out with the courts. I'm not an attorney and I don't hav knowledge abt this first hand, so please do consult an attorney as you go thru this. Id also reach out to advocate groups and see what resources they can provide you.

First and foremost, please do take care of yourself. I hope that w time u can put this nightmare experience behind you. Keep us updated if you can. Hope it all ends well.

suzige wrote:OP, your story is heartbreaking. I really feel for you bc I've seen first hand the incompetencies of doctors and other medical professionals when I was accompanying a relative who had a chronic health conditon in and out of the hospital. Only you and your family can be your best advocates...and that sucks when you are literally and figuratively helpless with lack of knowledge and rights.

At first blush, I wouldn't think you'd have to report this to ur school bc its not criminal. And I would be highly doubtful tht they would even attempt to pry into your medical records because of HIPAA laws. Same with the bar. Id double check c&f with your lawyer, but id be really surprised if they held this against you. I wouldn't say anything, if at all, until you have this all straightened out with the courts. I'm not an attorney and I don't hav knowledge abt this first hand, so please do consult an attorney as you go thru this. Id also reach out to advocate groups and see what resources they can provide you.

First and foremost, please do take care of yourself. I hope that w time u can put this nightmare experience behind you. Keep us updated if you can. Hope it all ends well.

TCR

Honikane wrote:So, contrary to popular belief, if the state than you plan to apply to the bar in has a question concerning this type of medical treatment on their bar application, you must disclose it, even if it was/will be expunged. If it is asked on your law school app, you also must disclose it there cuz these suckers cross check EVERYTHING! More than likely they will just ask for an explanation and you should be fine. I just wouldn't take the chance of not telling them and then being denied bar admission after all that hard work.

This is true. But not every bar or every school asks about mental illness. If asked you can't lie.

suzige wrote:OP, your story is heartbreaking. I really feel for you bc I've seen first hand the incompetencies of doctors and other medical professionals when I was accompanying a relative who had a chronic health conditon in and out of the hospital. Only you and your family can be your best advocates...and that sucks when you are literally and figuratively helpless with lack of knowledge and rights.

At first blush, I wouldn't think you'd have to report this to ur school bc its not criminal. And I would be highly doubtful tht they would even attempt to pry into your medical records because of HIPAA laws. Same with the bar. Id double check c&f with your lawyer, but id be really surprised if they held this against you. I wouldn't say anything, if at all, until you have this all straightened out with the courts. I'm not an attorney and I don't hav knowledge abt this first hand, so please do consult an attorney as you go thru this. Id also reach out to advocate groups and see what resources they can provide you.

First and foremost, please do take care of yourself. I hope that w time u can put this nightmare experience behind you. Keep us updated if you can. Hope it all ends well.

Thanks. Sadly my dad and I are estranged. He's physically assaulted me several times, lied to the police about it, never apologized. He has an undiagnosed mental health condition. Basically my mom is getting me a place based on his last outburst. About 3 weeks after my discharge and suicide attempt this month, he burst in to the house, and, upset my mother did not divulge a play by play of a disagreed I had with her, started screaming that he had nothing to live for except one of our dogs and my useless brother. He was all "I have no reason to live," and "nobody ever asks how I FEEL," and "nobody cares about me."

Basically he was putting on another dramatic showcase to get attention from my mom. He somehow thinks I made up a suicide attempt, despite scares, so he tried to "one up" me with my mom by claiming he was suicidal. He is a major homo phobe and berates men who talk about feelings and emotions, and was screaming in the house that we don't ask about his "feelings" enough. He is jealous that my mom is "devoting too much time" to me. All she did was drop clothes off and pick me up from the pysch hospital. My parents don't give me a dime or pay any bills-medical included. My dad has never given me money for medical stuff. He either thinks I'm making everything up or he's mad that my health is worse than him.

Do you know how fucking shitty it feels when your dad says his fucking dog and a brother who is 15 and not only has never worked, but has never did a single chore in the house or done anything helpful for the family, is the ONLY reason he has to live in the ENTIRE WORLD, 3 weeks after you were hospitalized for a suicide attempt and allegded suicidal threats? It sucks, especially when that isn't even the worst thing he's said to you, let alone DONE to you.

My dad does all of my "chores" in the house, tells me he doesn't need help, and then yells at my mom or I that I don't help out, yet I pay for all of my stuff and food for the house. He's mad at my mom and I because my mom is giving me a chance to recover and get help and isn't attacking me over every dirty plate left in the sink or load of laudary left in the washer. Instead of being happy for me being clean for the longest time in my life, and for months, and for being proactive in my treatment, he is yelling at me for things like driving in the driveway to fast. I pulled out of my driveway going 20mph and he left a screaming, vulgar message about how he's calling the police because "he's on good terms with them (he talked to 2 officers for about 5 minutes in past 6 months)." He's too fucking stupid to realize they can't do anything to me for "speeding" in a private driveway with no speed limit...

My dad has never once apologized for anything he's said, ranging from "I wish you were never born" to "Half of me hopes you fail and use again so I can cut you out of my life completely and never deal with you again," plus beating me up several times. He went on a vulgar rant in front of my prob officer after I went outside with her to speak to her in private, he followed me outside, I attempted to go in, and he followed me, and I finally asked for some privacy. He claimed he was following the dogs so they wouldn't get hurt. He was really just trying to find out the terms of my probation so he could blackmail me in the future.

And the fact that he lied about feeling suicidal in front of the family to get attention was pathetic and absolutely spitting in my face so to speak. What kind of fucking father makes things like that up to be an attention whore? BTW, my ENTIRE childhood-high school was spent asking about his "bad back" everyday when I got home, and asking how he slept, etc;. Every day, and if my mom AND I didn't ask, he started screaming about how no one cared about him, or would threaten to "leave and never come back." All of his childish, selfish, hypocritical and hurtful antics and statements crushed my self esteem and has traumatized me, because I honestly fear for my physical safety if I ever, ever, ever DARE to tell him how much he has hurt me. For instance, my mom made ME apologize to him in high school after he assaulted me. When I brought up some of my pain when in inpatient last year, he said he had a "right" to say or do whatever he wants/wanted when he was upset, because he needed to "Express" his emotions, and he "didn't do anything wrong" when he beat me up last year and said if I fought back I'd never walk again. Then he lied to the police about it and threatened to inpound my car if I pursued charges.

Sorry for ranting, but I really don't have "family" to support me. My mom does, to the extent my dad allows her to, and if she helps too much, he yells at her and says things like "you don't care about me enough." Keep in mind he makes no effort to ever ask how I feel, or how my mom feels. It's to the point my mom wants to get me a 2br and stay with me when my dad is home, and is FINALLY considering a divorce. I feel terrible because I've asked my mom to leave him as early as fucking middle school! He is the WORST person I know, and the only reason my mom is with him is because my brother is still in HS. And I have resentment towards my mother for not protecting me against all of his endless abuse, and neither of them understand how so many of my emotional issues were the result of his constant mean spirited comments that were honestly hateful. And he's never said or done that to my brother or the dog, just my mom and I. He manages to apologize to my mother, well, she says that at least, but never to me. He yells at her if he perceives her as "Taking my side." He views her as a pawn and a fucking competition for attention! It took me 22 years and 4 1/2 years of MH tx to see that. My mom basically said she can't fix or change him, and actually is in my corner right now. She said she knows I am trying harder than I ever had, and she'll support me and sees that my father is causing 95% of my stress and unhappiness. She basically said to ignore him and not waste my time trying to have a relationship with him, as did my therapists and friends, but it hurts knowing your father is a POS father to only you, feels no remorse for anything he's done, and is seemingly rooting for you to fail.

Like most fathers who love their kid would be proud of 6+ clean and would be concerned if their kid was in a pysch hospital. Not him. He views it as competition...and is honestly trying to undermine my efforts. Most parents wouldn't intentionally add conflict and stress to their kids life when they're in dual diagnosis treatment and fighting a long addiction, yet my father is starting fights over dirty dishes. I want to move out, but I don't have the $ and may be denied sec 8 solely bc of 2 drug misdemeonors, and I can't get Medicaid or RX coverage, ie free meds, because I can be on my fathers health insurance. Even if I move out. It's amazing how "the system" is supposed to help people like me recover and improve, yet it prefers helping people with multiple kids who have been on welfare their entire life and have not intention of bettering themselves. I see so many sleezeballs on public assistance, who use it for drug money or sub lease sec 8 housing, deal drugs, keep having kids, and it's pisses me off nobody seemingly wants to help me...because my dad makes too much money! Even though he doesn't support me in any way!

Sorry for that, I've had a terrible weekend and week. Dealing with the fact that a parent despises you for having health problems and getting too much attention from the other parent hurts a great deal, especially when he mocks your suicide attempts and suicidality in front of your family.

It's to the point where if he was on his death bed, I wouldn't see him or go to his funeral. It's sad when a family therapist tells you to basically cut him out of your life and move on, and your mom can't show appection to you in front of your dad without getting verbally assaulted or you getting vulgar messages. I am terrified to ever reveal how I feel to him because I think he might permenately hurt me, stalk me and literally destroy my possessions, or find a way to have me incarcerated. Right now he is absolutely delusional, as any 49 yr old with a life long untreated MH problem, and I'm afraid to tell him where I'm moving to because I think he'll damage my place, stalk me, or hurt me if I tell him he's broken my heart. It's fucked up when you want to get a PDA/restraining order against a parent.

This weekend was the most emotionally devastating day of my life. I am working SO FUCKING HARD to fix my life-new job, new friends, new dr's, new rehab-am clean for a long time, and my dad resents me for it, and thinks I'm either making up problems for attention (I rarely talk to my mom for more than an hr any given day), or is trying to exaggerate his so he's getting more love/affection/attention...it really, really hurt when he basically said the dog and his son are the only thing keeping him from /self...when I've done nothing wrong since I got clean. Other than have a mental breakdown due to medication side effects. I've never felt so fucking hurt. I know a lot of it is because I actually have feelings now, but, man, sometimes I wonder what the fuck the point is to getting better when someone you love(d) treats you like you are the reason their perfect life isn't worth living.

And it's sad I have to vent on this forum to a lot of people who probably never went through this because I'm too embarassed to tell my college friends I have an abusive father and my parents are divorcing because of me, that my dad is such a POS, that my life is somehow constantly full of drama. Getting clean was supposed to make things better...instead my dad is exiting my life because I'm trying to improve my mental health and my mom wants to help me (not financially). I'm sorry, I'm just in physical pain over this and have been balling randomly because of all of this...I don't have coping skills and I just hurt, and I writing helps and feeling like maybe someone on here can relate, and just say "hey, been there, it gets better" would mean a lot.

I'm sick and I feel awful because I feel like my dad hates me and is angry that I got clean. And it's fucking hard not to pick up when I feel like this.

Sorry if this annoyed anyone or whatever, if I did, please don't harass me. I just need to vent in the hopes someone can relate and offer some support, some ounce of hope. As much as I hate him, he is the only one capable of causing me this much pain and hurt, and I don't get why. I just want him to treat me respectfully, and not like I'm the worst thing that has ever happened to him or like I'm causing his fake suicidal feelings.

Again, I'm sorry if this pissed anyone off. I don't really have the chance to go to meetings, and even if I did, it's not like I can just babble about this. My good friends are reaching out to me and making sure I'm safe, but they haven't dealt with this before, and it's hard for them to offer insight. I just want to fucking disappear and never feel this way again.

Well, maybe someone can offer something positive other than "fuck that bastard never talk to him again," because as shitty as he is, I still would feel like it's my fault...I should have demanded an abortion.

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Thanks.

Yeah I talked to my 2 therapists and some friends. I wrote a super long angry "letter" to my ass hole father and I feel better. Both said my dad's not willing to change so just fuck it for now and keep "rockin my recovery (lol therapists!)"

I just get annoyed when people assume my family supports me. They don't AT ALL ca$h wise, my mom is stuck b/n my dad and I and can't always offer support, and she's exhausted.

It really sucks when people assume since I have real problems and am really, really trying really fucking hard to fix my life that my parents are "there" for me. Then I am around so many people in law school that have so much given to them and never had to live out of a car, or not eat for days because of money, or who were locked in a pysch ward or sat in jail, or really suffered economic hardships. Let alone deal with a dope addiction that almost killed them and a mental health issue that should've /them.

My background ended up making it super hard for me to tolerate my law school peers. How can I overcome this? Can I overcome it? I think since a lot of you have been to law school, you'll help more than my therapists and non academic frienfs.

I remember two preppy girls talking to a guy next to me in class about drugs and saying stupid stuff like "yeah that'd be so smart to just do a bunch of coke to keep going during an all nighter, it'd be better than adderal (something to that extent, fucking retarded)," plus a nice comment about how pathetic crack heads/junkies are and how stupid they all are, and then talking about how much they drink and implying they're awesome because they are binge drinkers...

I had to put up with a professor who was doing a very offensive impression of a schizophrenic defendant and implying they're worthless scum and basically don't deserve legal rights (made cracks about them hearing things like the CIA planting chips). Even though I know it's not directed towards/at me, it hurts when people who like to pretend they're super liberal open minded and accepting make those comments. It does hurt when people belittle your stuggles, and I put up with 22 yrs of that with my fuckface father.

Pretty much I felt different from my peers, like they felt I was beneath then for not wearing exspensive clothes or participating in bullshit gossip or meaningless chit chat, and that I didn't join in when people made fun of others. Some guy got in a facebook fight with me on the c/o 2015 group and resorted to actual personal attacks on me and my profile picture, to the point I had to block him and the school kicked him out of the group. Then some d bag princeton football player posted one of my facebook statuses on the c/o 2015 thread on TLS and said that status was basically about the "facebook fight," even though it was not (admin issue), and two other tls posters commented how it's sad someone would leave school over a facebook fight....fucking ignorant bc none of them made any attempt to ask me about the status, they just made a retarded assumption bc they thought they were sooooooooooo smart. Of course he's the one who added me to begin with, so I had to delete and block him, and then he ends up in my section (good curve wise bc he never answered ?'s correctly). I have NEVER dealt with people doing that outside of junior yr of high school, let alone ADULT MEN! I cannot understand why "adults" who want to enter a professional field do things like that/this, and it does hurt my feelings and make me feel like an outcast, even before I met anyone or went to a single class.

Once I walked in to a class and two guys were talking about why I wasn't in my second class of the day and about what the professor said about it. I told them I could hear them, and they tried to play it off and talk to me, like they weren't just being adolescent girls. Add bipolar mania induced anxiety and paranoia to that, and I end up crying on the phone with my mom after class. Again, it was men who were the culprits, and my make friends couldn't believe those stories because like actual real adults they don't participate in public gossip or facebook fights. My mom thought it was too weird to be correct, but I was with it at the time.

Is that how all law school kids act during 1L? Is there a way to avoid it or an easy way to point out to them they're petty plastics for that sort of behavoir? Maybe I was in a bad section, but I'm dreading dealing with these types of people when I return, and I am used to being friends with classmates and liking peers. I was always well liked and fairly popular in school, so it's so strange to me to be around these types of a holes. I don't like being around people when I feel like they hate me or are gossiping about me, and the bipolar causes paranioa so I'd like some ways to address this.



I don't know how to deal with these types of young adults. My friends here obviously aren't college/intellectual types, and I don't feel comfortable in a class with 100+ people who act like The Plastics (minus some of the drama obviously lol). My friends and I have all worked since high school and pay for ALL of our exspenses. We go to Goodwill or Salvo, not some store with $250 sunglasses and $120 jeans. I don't get the materialism and dependencey and the failure of the law school peers to work while in school and pay for school, gas/insurance/cars, books, etc. I can't relate to materialistic people, or people who brag about all the cash money they get from mommy and daddy.

Conversely, I have clicked and gotten along with every real lawyer and jugde I've met, and seeing how fair and kind they treated me has left no doubt law is what I want to do. I've wanted to enter the field since 2nd grade and I LOVE IT. I just need to find a way to not let these fucking prick peers of mine (TT regional, easily top school in region and very affordable given my scholly)

I'm sorry for being a bitch, but I know I need to work on how I deal with these people in order to make it through without losing it. I didn't expect that level of financial dependance and emotional/social immaturity and rude behavior at a non ivy/t14,

I want to work on myself and any tips would be so great.

It's hard to be happy in a school filled with peers you resent or feel detached from, but maybe not relating to them is good?

Well, any advice or maybe stories about how yinz overcame it? Or maybe just hearing people can relate to my feelings and my sense of isolation from materialistic peers? I need to get thicker skin, and I think if maybe I can find some witty ways to point out ignorant junkie comments or such would be good.

Sorry.

BTW, I have a lot of friends and am not socially isolated. I always have people to hang out with and talk to, even though I am definitely socially awkward and have some loose screws lol. No I'm not a fucking homecoming queen, but people generally like me when they get to know me and friends always want to hang out with me and I get along with co workers easily.

Thanks for any help.

Obviously I'm going through a shit storm now but if everything's going your way, you're in the wrong lane.

Happy Friday