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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby hephaestus » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:37 pm

Current Cornell 1L. I think that Cornell gets that reputation for a couple reasons. First, we take four substantive classes a semester + graded LRW, which is atypical and leads to people working really hard. Second, Cornell was number 1 on some Princeton Review survey for most hours studied.
I think its overblown. Yes, there are gunners here. However, there are gunners everywhere, especially in the T14. People are pretty relaxed here in general, as we know (as other T14 students do) that big law is not a zero sum game, since being in the top 10% is not a prerequisite for a job. 1Ls work hard at every school, but students do not undercut each other, tear pages out of books, etc.
As far as the special snowflake thing, every school likes to say that they are different and have a great culture. It is like when every firm claims that they are "collegial." Its a marketing ploy. Feel free to PM me if you have anything Cornell specific you're curious about.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby redsox550 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:51 pm

I am a Cornell 1L and was pleasantly surprised by the lack of cutthroat-ness and the lack of gunners

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Samara » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:54 pm

ImNoScar wrote:First, we take four substantive classes a semester + graded LRW, which is atypical

NU is the same and pretty much everybody is chill and sociable. Cornell probably isn't that different, though I wonder if the WE/older student body has an effect.

I think the main thing is that law school is stressful anywhere and stress can cause some people to do some crazy things.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby hephaestus » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:01 pm

Samara wrote:
ImNoScar wrote:First, we take four substantive classes a semester + graded LRW, which is atypical

NU is the same and pretty much everybody is chill and sociable. Cornell probably isn't that different, though I wonder if the WE/older student body has an effect.

I think the main thing is that law school is stressful anywhere and stress can cause some people to do some crazy things.

Yeah I think there is some truth to that. I think that among T14s, student bodies will likely be fungible enough that it should not be a main point of consideration when picking schools.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:50 pm

I don't know. Those Michigan 1L's who had also done 1L at Cornell were probably on to something.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby michigan1L » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:57 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:I don't know. Those Michigan 1L's who had also done 1L at Cornell were probably on to something.

I concur.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby gregfootball2001 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:16 pm

I don't understand. At these law schools, people use...library books? For what?

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby TheBiggerMediocre » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:38 pm

I am a gunner. Cornell is my reach. Beware.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby hephaestus » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:40 pm

gregfootball2001 wrote:I don't understand. At these law schools, people use...library books? For what?

What do you mean?

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby gregfootball2001 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:45 pm

ImNoScar wrote:
gregfootball2001 wrote:I don't understand. At these law schools, people use...library books? For what?

What do you mean?


I mean, what does a library have that Westlaw/Bloomberg/Lexis doesn't? Why would anyone read something in a library book, much less tear a page out of one?

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Justin Genious » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:16 pm

TheBiggerMediocre wrote:I am a gunner. Cornell is my reach. Beware.

A true gunner will never admit to being a gunner.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby redsox550 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:21 pm

gregfootball2001 wrote:
ImNoScar wrote:
gregfootball2001 wrote:I don't understand. At these law schools, people use...library books? For what?

What do you mean?


I mean, what does a library have that Westlaw/Bloomberg/Lexis doesn't? Why would anyone read something in a library book, much less tear a page out of one?


hornbooks

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:17 pm

redsox550 wrote:
gregfootball2001 wrote:
ImNoScar wrote:
gregfootball2001 wrote:I don't understand. At these law schools, people use...library books? For what?

What do you mean?


I mean, what does a library have that Westlaw/Bloomberg/Lexis doesn't? Why would anyone read something in a library book, much less tear a page out of one?


hornbooks

Most of those are online now, too. It's urban legend/holdover from when everything *was* books. (Also, my school's LW class made us do one assignment using books, so we'd know how. Don't remember a damn thing about it, but we went through the motions.)

Oh, and some LR cite-checks require using actual books. And maybe some seminar papers.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Moultdog » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:24 am

TheBiggerMediocre wrote:I am a gunner. Cornell is my reach. Beware.


Must not be a very good gunner if Cornell has to be your reach...

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Micdiddy » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:44 am

Doctor Who goes to Michigan?

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby KaNa1986 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:09 pm

ImNoScar wrote:Current Cornell 1L. I think that Cornell gets that reputation for a couple reasons. First, we take four substantive classes a semester + graded LRW, which is atypical and leads to people working really hard.


That's the 1L schedule at a lot of schools. People tend to think their school's different.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby lmsf » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:29 pm

I'm wondering the same thing. I went to NU's ASW and multiple speakers plus every student I spoke to kept saying that there are no gunners at NU and everyone is super nice. There were multiple stories about people emailing notes to someone who missed class without even being asked, sharing outlines ... It sounds awesome if true but then I wonder how much of it is something every school tells you ... For the record, I did speak to some people I knew at Columbia and GULC and those schools sounded pretty gunnery. Or at NU they said that U of Chicago publicized rank and name which has the effect of making people competitive. And it seems like schools that don't have regular A-F (more like A - B-) like Berkeley or Yale would be less gunnery?

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby scifiguy » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:36 pm

lmsf wrote:I'm wondering the same thing. I went to NU's ASW and multiple speakers plus every student I spoke to kept saying that there are no gunners at NU and everyone is super nice. There were multiple stories about people emailing notes to someone who missed class without even being asked, sharing outlines ... It sounds awesome if true but then I wonder how much of it is something every school tells you ... For the record, I did speak to some people I knew at Columbia and GULC and those schools sounded pretty gunnery. Or at NU they said that U of Chicago publicized rank and name which has the effect of making people competitive. And it seems like schools that don't have regular A-F (more like A - B-) like Berkeley or Yale would be less gunnery?


Chicago publishes your name and class rank?! :shock:

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:43 pm

scifiguy wrote:
lmsf wrote:I'm wondering the same thing. I went to NU's ASW and multiple speakers plus every student I spoke to kept saying that there are no gunners at NU and everyone is super nice. There were multiple stories about people emailing notes to someone who missed class without even being asked, sharing outlines ... It sounds awesome if true but then I wonder how much of it is something every school tells you ... For the record, I did speak to some people I knew at Columbia and GULC and those schools sounded pretty gunnery. Or at NU they said that U of Chicago publicized rank and name which has the effect of making people competitive. And it seems like schools that don't have regular A-F (more like A - B-) like Berkeley or Yale would be less gunnery?


Chicago publishes your name and class rank?! :shock:

I seriously doubt this. I also don't have anything to compare it to, but Columbia is extremely un-gunnery.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Samara » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:46 pm

lmsf wrote:I'm wondering the same thing. I went to NU's ASW and multiple speakers plus every student I spoke to kept saying that there are no gunners at NU and everyone is super nice. There were multiple stories about people emailing notes to someone who missed class without even being asked, sharing outlines ... It sounds awesome if true but then I wonder how much of it is something every school tells you ... For the record, I did speak to some people I knew at Columbia and GULC and those schools sounded pretty gunnery. Or at NU they said that U of Chicago publicized rank and name which has the effect of making people competitive. And it seems like schools that don't have regular A-F (more like A - B-) like Berkeley or Yale would be less gunnery?

I'm a current NU student, so take this for what it's worth, but people truly are that nice. There's no competitiveness and gunning is very minimal.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby lmsf » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:42 pm

scifiguy wrote:Chicago publishes your name and class rank?! :shock:


I take that back. According to their website is appears that they don't rank students: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/employers/policies
I heard it from another student when I was visiting NU so I assumed. I guess now I learned what happens when you assume ... Sorry Chicago, I will now withdraw my application in shame ... plz don't sue me for libel, that would be a c&f issue (wait, would it? I guess depends on if it was in civil or criminal court right? see? I need your law school wisdom!)

Tiago Splitter wrote:I seriously doubt this. I also don't have anything to compare it to, but Columbia is extremely un-gunnery.


Thanks, Tiago. That's good to know. I've spoken to someone who's also a current student and described CLS as very competitive and cutthroat so I was worried about that. Good to have another perspective ... I'm going to be visiting NY shortly and plan to visit NYU and Columbia while I'm there in the very off-chance I get off the WL.

Samara wrote:I'm a current NU student, so take this for what it's worth, but people truly are that nice. There's no competitiveness and gunning is very minimal.


Thanks! I loved ASW. I think I'm most likely going to be at NU next year.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby NoodleyOne » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:07 pm

From what I gather, every school says pretty much the exact same thing during ASW.

"Unlike OTHER T-14 schools, we don't really have gunners here. Everyone's really nice and I got notes for class and didn't even ask!?!"

At the end of the day, each law school is going to have similar types of people. The people at these law schools are very intelligent and are very driven, but they're also people. Super gunnerish activities probably leave you sitting alone at the lunch table, and no one wants that.

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Re: Gunners and special snowflakes

Postby Xifeng » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:10 pm

scifiguy wrote:
lmsf wrote:I'm wondering the same thing. I went to NU's ASW and multiple speakers plus every student I spoke to kept saying that there are no gunners at NU and everyone is super nice. There were multiple stories about people emailing notes to someone who missed class without even being asked, sharing outlines ... It sounds awesome if true but then I wonder how much of it is something every school tells you ... For the record, I did speak to some people I knew at Columbia and GULC and those schools sounded pretty gunnery. Or at NU they said that U of Chicago publicized rank and name which has the effect of making people competitive. And it seems like schools that don't have regular A-F (more like A - B-) like Berkeley or Yale would be less gunnery?


Chicago publishes your name and class rank?! :shock:


Absolutely not. We're never ranked, and we aren't allowed to put our GPA on our resumes, and they're not calculated on our transcripts.

The difference between schools is vastly overstated, the same kinds of students get into all of them. Biggest differences are location and class size, IMO.




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