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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby HBBJohnStamos » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:39 pm

Shmoopy wrote:Middle Ivy.


lol

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Postby jetsfan1 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:25 pm

So do your numbers in relation to your school's numbers mean anything during the application process? Does it look good if your numbers are stellar and your school sucks? Will they see you went to a crappy school and think less of your application? Do they not care in the slightest?


Don't have time to find it, but Spivey answered this question in his thread if you care to look. If I remember correctly, they use it to judge how intelligent your school is (you will note that in general, the better the school, the higher average) and then weigh that against your gpa to see how "impressive" your gpa is (i.e., 3.7 at a school w/ a 167 average is better than a 3.7 at a 150). Does this really effect their decision? Not really, its seen as pretty marginal, given the importance of a soft. Thats how I remember him answering it anyway, could be a bit off- you can go back and find his exact words if you want.

But pretty much yeah, they don't care in the slightest.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby Ave » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:55 pm

jetsfan1 wrote:
So do your numbers in relation to your school's numbers mean anything during the application process? Does it look good if your numbers are stellar and your school sucks? Will they see you went to a crappy school and think less of your application? Do they not care in the slightest?


Don't have time to find it, but Spivey answered this question in his thread if you care to look. If I remember correctly, they use it to judge how intelligent your school is (you will note that in general, the better the school, the higher average) and then weigh that against your gpa to see how "impressive" your gpa is (i.e., 3.7 at a school w/ a 167 average is better than a 3.7 at a 150). Does this really effect their decision? Not really, its seen as pretty marginal, given the importance of a soft. Thats how I remember him answering it anyway, could be a bit off- you can go back and find his exact words if you want.

But pretty much yeah, they don't care in the slightest.

As you said, I doubt they care at all but if they did, I don't think they'd use the LSAT median to determine how "impressive" your GPA is as you've made it out to be: they'd just use the median GPA. 3.61 at Brown would not be impressive in this case.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby jetsfan1 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:06 pm

yeah i agree- thats just how i remember spivey saying it, but yeah it doesnt make sense... i dunno someone wanna go find that thread? haha

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby Ave » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:11 pm

jetsfan1 wrote:yeah i agree- thats just how i remember spivey saying it, but yeah it doesnt make sense... i dunno someone wanna go find that thread? haha

Never mind; I think this is a nonissue as has already been stated.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby jetsfan1 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:25 pm

agreed, fair enough

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby DrStudMuffin » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:26 pm

If schools actually care about your UG's median LSAT when evaluating the merit of your application, then they would almost certainly take into account its median GPA as well (looking at you, Brown). However, I can't imagine this holding more weight than perhaps a minor soft. Which means it matters little, if at all.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby Crowing » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:28 pm

The median UGPA on the LSAC report is just the median UGPA of LS applicants right? I've been wanting to find out my UG's median GPA for a while but that's apparently not information that is released.

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Postby Shmoopy » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:48 pm

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:54 pm

Shmoopy wrote:
HBBJohnStamos wrote:
Shmoopy wrote:Middle Ivy.


lol


The hierarchy is pretty clear:

Top = HYP
Bottom = Cornell
Middle = the rest

The Ivy League track meet is called heptagonals. Hepta means 7, even though all 8 are there. Guess which one is the black sheep...


Brown.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby 20130312 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:02 am

fratstar wrote:Rutgers New Brunswick is 155

Lol'd hard when I saw this on my LSAC report last year.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby Jredelman15 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:03 am

WVU, 150 surprised it's not lower.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:12 am

Shmoopy wrote:
John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Brown.


we always joked that it was Cornell, but you're right, it is Brown. Brown = bottom ivy?


I guess. Not that it matters but it's always seemed to be more like this -

HYP
Columbia/Penn
Cornell/Dartmouth
Brown

Unless you're a lay person then Penn doesn't even exist.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby Ave » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:23 am

Crowing wrote:The median UGPA on the LSAC report is just the median UGPA of LS applicants right? I've been wanting to find out my UG's median GPA for a while but that's apparently not information that is released.

This doesn't show the median uGPA but shows grade inflation and average GPA for quite a few undergraduate institutions (at the bottom of the page). But the data is quite old, with the more recent being around 2008. Heh, I keep giving you old links :P

Brown's average uGPA in 2007: 3.61

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Postby Crowing » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:55 am

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
Shmoopy wrote:
John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Brown.


we always joked that it was Cornell, but you're right, it is Brown. Brown = bottom ivy?


I guess. Not that it matters but it's always seemed to be more like this -

HYP
Columbia/Penn
Cornell/Dartmouth
Brown

Unless you're a lay person then Penn doesn't even exist.


Cornell is def the bottom ivy. It's the only one that isn't post-colonial too. It's like a fake ivy.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:00 am

Crowing wrote:Cornell is def the bottom ivy. It's the only one that isn't post-colonial too. It's like a fake ivy.


People are dumb. They think Cornell sounds fancier than Brown and Penn.
I wish I was joking.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby HBBJohnStamos » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:26 am

Shmoopy wrote:
HBBJohnStamos wrote:
Shmoopy wrote:Middle Ivy.


lol


The hierarchy is pretty clear:

Top = HYP
Bottom = Cornell
Middle = the rest

The Ivy League track meet is called heptagonals. Hepta means 7, even though all 8 are there. Guess which one is the black sheep...


Couldn't be clearer if you douched my eyes open, thanks!

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby 06102016 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:36 am

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby Ave » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:54 am

slack_academic wrote:eta: probably should've posted this too.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby 06102016 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:01 am

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Postby Nova » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:05 am

Iowa State, 153 :oops:

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby dr123 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:14 am

155, i think. pnw lac.

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby ArchieHicox » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:24 am

154 avg, Saint Louis University

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Re: Median LSAT @ Your UG

Postby MikeSpivey » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:20 pm

Ave wrote:
jetsfan1 wrote:
So do your numbers in relation to your school's numbers mean anything during the application process? Does it look good if your numbers are stellar and your school sucks? Will they see you went to a crappy school and think less of your application? Do they not care in the slightest?


Don't have time to find it, but Spivey answered this question in his thread if you care to look. If I remember correctly, they use it to judge how intelligent your school is (you will note that in general, the better the school, the higher average) and then weigh that against your gpa to see how "impressive" your gpa is (i.e., 3.7 at a school w/ a 167 average is better than a 3.7 at a 150). Does this really effect their decision? Not really, its seen as pretty marginal, given the importance of a soft. Thats how I remember him answering it anyway, could be a bit off- you can go back and find his exact words if you want.

But pretty much yeah, they don't care in the slightest.

As you said, I doubt they care at all but if they did, I don't think they'd use the LSAT median to determine how "impressive" your GPA is as you've made it out to be: they'd just use the median GPA. 3.61 at Brown would not be impressive in this case.


To be clear, they would most likely use the LCM on the LSAC Report for a school they have very little experience with or knowledge of, to gain some intelligence on that school. When I first started admissions I had never heard of Transylvania University in Lexington KY and the schools median LSAT was noteworthy such that we started recruiting there.

In the big picture of admissions, I think everyone is correct that this is a pretty minor statistic. At schools where there are faculty admissions committees, though, this might come into play a bit more.




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