ksllaw wrote:NYstate wrote:At a certain point, willful ignorance is on them. Other people had only false data; if people with better data and mainstream media telling them law school is not worth the cost, it is their own doing. Lawyers need to know when to take heed of good advice.
This was the problem, sunynp.
It wasn't until the NYT's 2011 piece, "Is Law School a Losing Game," that the mainstream media covered it. And it wasn't until I saw Campos and Rhodes' lecture/talk at Stanford ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2gvnPTHvH8 ) last summer in 2012 that I full grasped the problem.
As I explained to Tiago above, I figured all these complainers online were just anonymous folks who did poorly in law school and were the few disgruntled and truly incompetent who could not find a job. I still thought of lawyers as having a relatively equal position/salary/prospects as a medical doctor did in society.
Having scambloggers rant against the legal economy and law schools was not at all convincing for me personally. The reason was credibility. You see these seemingly respectable legal institutions (we often equate universities with altruism and a place of great respect and pure learning) and think there is no way things could be this bad and for them to advertise the way they do. ... It would be as if someone told me becoming a medical doctor would have a high risk of unemployment and living in poverty. I would have just laughed and probably paid little attention. Or maybe I would have figured they were talking about a statistical few (maybe those living in rural areas) and that the majority still did extremely well.
I understand that problem and law schools still have a lot to answer for with their decades of lies coupled with revenue maximizing to obscene levels . They have created a false reality where people still think that jobs are plentiful. Even bough the employment numbers schools used to supply were so overly optimistic that a judge said no one would have relied on them and the New York Court of Appeals said there could be ethics charges brought against the deans and others involved.
But now 0Ls have to understand that law is not the profession they thought it was and many still think it is (And that wouldn't even matter if school had just kept tuition in line with iinflation rather than focusing on revenue maximizing.)
I posted these articles because it seems that many people posting here on TLS still don't get reality of the job market. Right now anyway , in New York, law students are supposed to be sophisticated consumers. For their own sake, 0Ls must understand that law school is a huge gamble for most of them. I think that a good many of the people on TLS who are thinking of paying sticker or otherwise incurring substantial debt should not go. You can't afford willful ignorance. When there is a massive flight from attending law school, you need to examine why that is. You can't ignore it by saying you will work hard and be top of your class.
On top of that, biglaw shows no sign of picking up steam in the next three years. If anything they will continue to keep classes small and stealth layoff juniors if they have to do so. Given the lack of government and PI hiring, and no sure secure biglaw career, how will they pay for school?