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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby Drake014 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:16 pm

Br3v wrote:
Research is faster and easier, requiring fewer lawyers, and is being outsourced to less expensive locales, including West Virginia and overseas.


Is West Virginia now on par with cheap foreign labor?

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby Miracle » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:28 pm

Drake014 wrote:
Br3v wrote:
Research is faster and easier, requiring fewer lawyers, and is being outsourced to less expensive locales, including West Virginia and overseas.


Is West Virginia now on par with cheap foreign labor?


Technology can't litigate. I don't think that technology is the main problem.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:30 pm

North wrote:
BlaqBella wrote: For most BIGLAW firms, they pay attention to rankings. FOR THE MOST PART, Rankings is a reflection of reputation and reputation a reflection of rankings. That is a FACT

Nope. Reputation among legal employers constitutes only 15% of a school's USNWR ranking.


Uhm, wrong evidence. You want to know what LAW FIRM recruiters think, not what % of a measure accounted for a ranking.

More applicable:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/the-best ... ecruiters/


Keep dancing around the issue. Firms ARE prestige whores. Even you yourself indicate TLS saved from from a TTTT. Why didn't you go to a TTTT instead of UVA? LOLOL.

Contadictions FTW!

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby toothbrush » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:31 pm

Miracle wrote:
Drake014 wrote:
Br3v wrote:
Research is faster and easier, requiring fewer lawyers, and is being outsourced to less expensive locales, including West Virginia and overseas.


Is West Virginia now on par with cheap foreign labor?


Technology can't litigate. I don't think that technology is the main problem.

From what I understand .. it's not much .. is that things like "discovery" are being outsourced to firms specializing in it, or apparently W. Virginia. This work is what first years used to do for quite a bit of time. Now that it's being sent away, there is less need for attorneys in big firms. Yes, litigation remains done by the lawyers, but a lot of grunt work that used to pay 160k no longer does.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby rad lulz » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:32 pm

BlaqBella wrote:
North wrote:
BlaqBella wrote: For most BIGLAW firms, they pay attention to rankings. FOR THE MOST PART, Rankings is a reflection of reputation and reputation a reflection of rankings. That is a FACT

Nope. Reputation among legal employers constitutes only 15% of a school's USNWR ranking.


Uhm, wrong evidence. You want to know what LAW FIRM recruiters think, not what % of a measure accounted for a ranking.

More applicable:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/the-best ... ecruiters/


Keep dancing around the issue. Firms ARE prestige whores. Even you yourself indicate TLS saved from from a TTTT. Why didn't you go to a TTTT instead of UVA? LOLOL.

Contadictions FTW!

They like prestige, but that doesn't mean they care about the USNWR.

HTH

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby toothbrush » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:32 pm

BlaqBella wrote:
North wrote:
BlaqBella wrote: For most BIGLAW firms, they pay attention to rankings. FOR THE MOST PART, Rankings is a reflection of reputation and reputation a reflection of rankings. That is a FACT

Nope. Reputation among legal employers constitutes only 15% of a school's USNWR ranking.


Uhm, wrong evidence. You want to know what LAW FIRM recruiters think, not what % of a measure accounted for a ranking.

More applicable:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/the-best ... ecruiters/


Keep dancing around the issue. Firms ARE prestige whores. Even you yourself indicate TLS saved from from a TTTT. Why didn't you go to a TTTT instead of UVA? LOLOL.

Contadictions FTW!

i was mean nvm
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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby justonemoregame » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:32 pm

Biglaw can be prestige whores and not pay attention to the rankings at the same time since the schools they give two shits about have been ranked roughly the same for decades.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:33 pm

toothbrush wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:
North wrote:
BlaqBella wrote: For most BIGLAW firms, they pay attention to rankings. FOR THE MOST PART, Rankings is a reflection of reputation and reputation a reflection of rankings. That is a FACT

Nope. Reputation among legal employers constitutes only 15% of a school's USNWR ranking.


Uhm, wrong evidence. You want to know what LAW FIRM recruiters think, not what % of a measure accounted for a ranking.

More applicable:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/the-best ... ecruiters/


Keep dancing around the issue. Firms ARE prestige whores. Even you yourself indicate TLS saved from from a TTTT. Why didn't you go to a TTTT instead of UVA? LOLOL.

Contadictions FTW!

You're the reason that I i think affirmative action should no longer exist.


Right, because I would never have been considered for some schools on my credentials/# alone.

Gotta love the stereotypes!

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby justonemoregame » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:33 pm

IBbanhammer

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby dingbat » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:34 pm

Drake014 wrote:Is West Virginia now on par with cheap foreign labor?

West Virginia has been stepping it up. They're now qualitatively above rural Africa, but not yet up to suburban India

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:35 pm

rad lulz wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:
North wrote:
BlaqBella wrote: For most BIGLAW firms, they pay attention to rankings. FOR THE MOST PART, Rankings is a reflection of reputation and reputation a reflection of rankings. That is a FACT

Nope. Reputation among legal employers constitutes only 15% of a school's USNWR ranking.


Uhm, wrong evidence. You want to know what LAW FIRM recruiters think, not what % of a measure accounted for a ranking.

More applicable:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/the-best ... ecruiters/


Keep dancing around the issue. Firms ARE prestige whores. Even you yourself indicate TLS saved from from a TTTT. Why didn't you go to a TTTT instead of UVA? LOLOL.

Contadictions FTW!

They like prestige, but that doesn't mean they care about the USNWR.

HTH


Then how exactly are schools measured to each other? What do you think recruiters rely on to measure/compare schools?

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby toothbrush » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:36 pm

[quote="BlaqBella] You're the reason that I i think affirmative action should no longer exist.[/quote]

Right, because I would never have been considered for some schools on my credentials/# alone.

Gotta love the stereotypes![/quote]
I'm just kidding don't be sensitive now.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby justonemoregame » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:40 pm

Then how exactly are schools measured to each other? What do you think recruiters rely on to measure/compare schools?[/quote]


Recruiters probably rely on the fact that they've been awake for decades.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby toothbrush » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:41 pm

BlaqBella wrote:Then how exactly are schools measured to each other? What do you think recruiters rely on to measure/compare schools?


They compare how many acres each campus is and then choose accordingly. Considering CLS has NYC as a campus that's why it has the most big law placemebt,

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:43 pm

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? That is the central debate going on here.

Firms may not exclusively rely on USNews to hire but by and large, USNews rankings reflects reputation and reflects the thoughts of firm recruiters. The only exception to this are regional schools, but USNews remains the best measure of laws schools as compared to other law schools.

Hell, pre-law students rely on USNews to decide where to attend. Last year alone, folks ditched an acceptance to Harvard because it bumped down and Stanford bumped up. It cames with the territory.

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Postby rad lulz » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:44 pm

BlaqBella wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg? That is the central debate going on here.

Firms may not exclusively rely on USNews to hire but by and large, USNews rankings reflects reputation and reflects the thoughts of firm recruiters. The only exception to this are regional schools, but USNews remains the best measure of laws schools as compared to other law schools.

Hell, pre-law students rely on USNews to decide where to attend. Last year alone, folks ditched an acceptance to Harvard because it bumped down and Stanford bumped up. It cames with the territory.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:45 pm

rad lulz wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg? That is the central debate going on here.

Firms may not exclusively rely on USNews to hire but by and large, USNews rankings reflects reputation and reflects the thoughts of firm recruiters. The only exception to this are regional schools, but USNews remains the best measure of laws schools as compared to other law schools.

Hell, pre-law students rely on USNews to decide where to attend. Last year alone, folks ditched an acceptance to Harvard because it bumped down and Stanford bumped up. It cames with the territory.


Don't just blackline. EXPLAIN.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby toothbrush » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:46 pm

BlaqBella wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg? That is the central debate going on here.

Firms may not exclusively rely on USNews to hire but by and large, USNews rankings reflects reputation and reflects the thoughts of firm recruiters. The only exception to this are regional schools, but USNews remains the best measure of laws schools as compared to other law schools.

Hell, pre-law students rely on USNews to decide where to attend. Last year alone, folks ditched an acceptance to Harvard because it bumped down and Stanford bumped up. It cames with the territory.


Don't just blackline. EXPLAIN.

He did...

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:46 pm

Oh yeah, and answer my question. Mr. Lulz.

How do law recruiters measure/compare schools to each other?

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby North » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:46 pm

BlaqBella wrote:Then how exactly are schools measured to each other? What do you think recruiters rely on to measure/compare schools?

Look, the problem is with your blanket statement that every school outside the T2 should be shut down. That's stupid. If you think that schools like the University of Montana and the University of Hawaii should be shut down, but American University should remain open because EMPLOYERS LIKE RANKINGS, then you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

BlaqBella wrote:Even you yourself indicate TLS saved from from a TTTT. Why didn't you go to a TTTT instead of UVA? LOLOL.

Contadictions FTW!

:roll:

Because my TTTT's are in Florida.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby rad lulz » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:47 pm

BlaqBella wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg? That is the central debate going on here.

Firms may not exclusively rely on USNews to hire but by and large, USNews rankings reflects reputation and reflects the thoughts of firm recruiters. The only exception to this are regional schools, but USNews remains the best measure of laws schools as compared to other law schools.

Hell, pre-law students rely on USNews to decide where to attend. Last year alone, folks ditched an acceptance to Harvard because it bumped down and Stanford bumped up. It cames with the territory.


Don't just blackline. EXPLAIN.

BlaqBella wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not worth entertaining this banter any further.

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:49 pm

rad lulz wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg? That is the central debate going on here.

Firms may not exclusively rely on USNews to hire but by and large, USNews rankings reflects reputation and reflects the thoughts of firm recruiters. The only exception to this are regional schools, but USNews remains the best measure of laws schools as compared to other law schools.

Hell, pre-law students rely on USNews to decide where to attend. Last year alone, folks ditched an acceptance to Harvard because it bumped down and Stanford bumped up. It cames with the territory.


Don't just blackline. EXPLAIN.

BlaqBella wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not worth entertaining this banter any further.


Lovely. So you have no counter to my stance, which, by the way, was supported by an actual firm recruiter I just spoke to about this. Clearly, she is misinformed. LOL.

Anyway, enjoy. :)

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby toothbrush » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:50 pm

rad lulz wrote:
BlaqBella wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not worth entertaining this banter any further.

lulz

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby rad lulz » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:50 pm

BlaqBella wrote:Lovely. So you have no counter to my stance, which, by the way, was supported by an actual firm recruiter I just spoke to about this. Clearly, she is misinformed. LOL.

Anyway, enjoy. :)

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Re: Front page NY times: massive app drop; schools in trouble;

Postby BlaqBella » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:51 pm

North wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:Then how exactly are schools measured to each other? What do you think recruiters rely on to measure/compare schools?

Look, the problem is with your blanket statement that every school outside the T2 should be shut down. That's stupid. If you think that schools like the University of Montana and the University of Hawaii should be shut down, but American University should remain open because EMPLOYERS LIKE RANKINGS, then you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.


I said FOR THE MOST PART. Goodness gracious!

North wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:Even you yourself indicate TLS saved from from a TTTT. Why didn't you go to a TTTT instead of UVA? LOLOL.

Contadictions FTW!

:roll:

Because my TTTT's are in Florida.


Oh bummer. Doesn't change the fact that you were "saved", does it?

Save be the bell! Enjoy UVA.




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