Top Law Schools

ManoftheHour wrote:
But would any fat and fugly women want a "Noodley One?"

This ain't angel-hair pasta down here, brutha.

Sports broadcasting at a local Miami sports radio station. Still considering it actually.

This may interest some:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z-C8Ke2FQ
article: http://news.yahoo.com/coding-boot-camps ... 23005.html

ksllaw wrote:This may interest some:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z-C8Ke2FQ
article: http://news.yahoo.com/coding-boot-camps ... 23005.html

Damn...

ksllaw wrote:This may interest some:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z-C8Ke2FQ
article: http://news.yahoo.com/coding-boot-camps ... 23005.html

That's really neat. I didn't know starting salaries were so high for programmers. Thanks for posting.

ksllaw wrote:This may interest some:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z-C8Ke2FQ
article: http://news.yahoo.com/coding-boot-camps ... 23005.html

We're all studying the wrong shit. :[

ManoftheHour wrote:

ksllaw wrote:This may interest some:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z-C8Ke2FQ
article: http://news.yahoo.com/coding-boot-camps ... 23005.html

We're all studying the wrong shit. :[

Wow!

Goto "school" for 3 months $12K tuition and get a coder job within a few days/weeks of graduation at $100K/year at a cool office with video games, free food, free laundry, music, relaxation time, etc.

vs.

Goto law school for 3 years $150K tuition and possibly end up coding (document review) for $35K/year in a crowded law firm basement w/ no benefits.

???

Culinary Arts is a good Doctorate to get, that and the Hospitality Managment PHd.

Hotels and Fast Food ALWAYS need crewchiefs and shift managers.......................

I'm a journalist, and that's not quite a field sufficient to start a family before the business model corrects itself. My plan B is to accept a full ride to my local TTT and get a job practicing the types of law I wouldn't love but wouldn't hate in a town I don't love but don't hate, for a while at least. Thankfully I can count on a job a bit more than most since I've built a network of virtually every bigger firm and govt agency in my hometown through a couple years of work. Plan C is to treat my guitar like the LSAT.

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How do you see that happening? I am kind of interested in the business model, and while I have not looked into it too much, I have not heard any proposed changes that seem viable.

I'm not on the business side, but I'd say it's going to be perfectly-tuned advertising based on individual information more than paywalls that eventually do the trick. Basically trading some privacy for free or cheap news on your phone or laptop. Facebook and Google just started hitting hitting people with creepy omniscient ads in the past few years, and I think that's gonna take over, for better or worse. It's safe to say there's more demand for news than ever before, and I trust the business bros to find a way to make the profit.

New plan B: become prominent member of Scientology and profit

ksllaw wrote:This may interest some:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z-C8Ke2FQ
article: http://news.yahoo.com/coding-boot-camps ... 23005.html

From the article wrote: One San Francisco school called App Academy doesn't charge tuition. Instead, it asks for a 15 percent cut of the student's first-year salary. Graduates who can't find jobs don't have to pay, but so far nearly all of them have.

Sounds like a good model for all professional schools. Lawyers work on contingency fees all the time, this would be a great way to focus law schools on getting their graduates in to jobs, and jobs that are high-paying.

thelawdoctor wrote:Culinary Arts is a good Doctorate to get, that and the Hospitality Managment PHd.

Hotels and Fast Food ALWAYS need crewchiefs and shift managers.......................

Source? Data?

I'm starting to panic. After a series of upper 160s and lower 170 PTs, I got a 165 today. June is my last retake and the only school I put a deposit down for is Loyola (96k with a scary 50% stip). F.U.C.K. I'm F#$%ed.

Maybe it's time to consider a different career. I've always been interested in the culinary arts. But culinary schools are expensive as fuck.

Jimbo_Jones wrote:

ksllaw wrote:This may interest some:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z-C8Ke2FQ
article: http://news.yahoo.com/coding-boot-camps ... 23005.html

From the article wrote: One San Francisco school called App Academy doesn't charge tuition. Instead, it asks for a 15 percent cut of the student's first-year salary. Graduates who can't find jobs don't have to pay, but so far nearly all of them have.

Sounds like a good model for all professional schools. Lawyers work on contingency fees all the time, this would be a great way to focus law schools on getting their graduates in to jobs, and jobs that are high-paying.

Personally, I'm not sure that this would work with law.

I think these "tech training camps" can do this b/c they expect their graduates to not only find work, but relatively high-paying work. So, they're willing to foot the bill (you can maybe consider it a gamble of sorts, depending on the circumstances).

Law is overcrowded and high-paying jobs are scarce. No law school would just allow you to attend for free and repay them in the future based on your salary. Too few people would probably be able to repay.

That's why law school economics don't seem to make sense. Huge costs to attend and gambling odds that you'll end up with a job that can repay your $100K+ loans.

You mentioned contingency fees for lawyers. Yes, some do work off of that, but my guess is they:

a.) take cases they think they have a good shot of winning
and/or
b.) they stand to gain a large sum of money if they win

It's not the same with legal education. The math isn't the same. ...Law schools really just have to change.

ETA: I'm not saying the model is a bad one. I think it'd be great actually (low stress on students!). But just saying that for law school it wouldn't work as of right now.

Been accepted into some Canadian law schools (I'm Canadian and would prefer to work in Canada), but probably going to defer and/or reject the offers for this year. Started a business with my uncle and I'm mostly likely going to see how that goes over the next year or two before deciding whether I want to go to law school (so I guess that makes law school my plan B).

I've wanted to be a lawyer since I was in high school, but after doing a lot of research and seeking advice from a bunch of lawyers over the past few months, I realized I'd prefer being an entrepreneur/businessman over being a lawyer (although I still wouldn't mind becoming a lawyer).

GuyLafleur wrote:Been accepted into some Canadian law schools (I'm Canadian and would prefer to work in Canada), but probably going to defer and/or reject the offers for this year. Started a business with my uncle and I'm mostly likely going to see how that goes over the next year or two before deciding whether I want to go to law school (so I guess that makes law school my plan B).

I've wanted to be a lawyer since I was in high school, but after doing a lot of research and seeking advice from a bunch of lawyers over the past few months, I realized I'd prefer being an entrepreneur/businessman over being a lawyer (although I still wouldn't mind becoming a lawyer).

It always amazes me how many Canadian come to America to do their law school when it is not even the same system of laws. Aren't parts of it based on French law like our state of LA?

thelawdoctor wrote:

GuyLafleur wrote:Been accepted into some Canadian law schools (I'm Canadian and would prefer to work in Canada), but probably going to defer and/or reject the offers for this year. Started a business with my uncle and I'm mostly likely going to see how that goes over the next year or two before deciding whether I want to go to law school (so I guess that makes law school my plan B).

I've wanted to be a lawyer since I was in high school, but after doing a lot of research and seeking advice from a bunch of lawyers over the past few months, I realized I'd prefer being an entrepreneur/businessman over being a lawyer (although I still wouldn't mind becoming a lawyer).

It always amazes me how many Canadian come to America to do their law school when it is not even the same system of laws. Aren't parts of it based on French law like our state of LA?

Only in Quebec. The rest of it comes from the British common law system, like our legal system does.

A. Nony Mouse wrote:

thelawdoctor wrote:

GuyLafleur wrote:Been accepted into some Canadian law schools (I'm Canadian and would prefer to work in Canada), but probably going to defer and/or reject the offers for this year. Started a business with my uncle and I'm mostly likely going to see how that goes over the next year or two before deciding whether I want to go to law school (so I guess that makes law school my plan B).

I've wanted to be a lawyer since I was in high school, but after doing a lot of research and seeking advice from a bunch of lawyers over the past few months, I realized I'd prefer being an entrepreneur/businessman over being a lawyer (although I still wouldn't mind becoming a lawyer).

It always amazes me how many Canadian come to America to do their law school when it is not even the same system of laws. Aren't parts of it based on French law like our state of LA?

Only in Quebec. The rest of it comes from the British common law system, like our legal system does.

I don't think Imet any Quebec students, so maybe they all either stay home or go to a LA state law school........

You'd still think at least SOME major differences would apply though.
(being commonwealth and all)

I know the bahamas require a prelaw undergrad. (and so do some other commonwealth nations)Does Canada do it too?
If so, I could see THAT being a tiebreaker for someone with a non prelaw undergrad.

On that though, I wonder how ABA schools view those 3year "BA" degrees that some Canadians schools are giving out nowdays.

thelawdoctor wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:

thelawdoctor wrote:

GuyLafleur wrote:Been accepted into some Canadian law schools (I'm Canadian and would prefer to work in Canada), but probably going to defer and/or reject the offers for this year. Started a business with my uncle and I'm mostly likely going to see how that goes over the next year or two before deciding whether I want to go to law school (so I guess that makes law school my plan B).

I've wanted to be a lawyer since I was in high school, but after doing a lot of research and seeking advice from a bunch of lawyers over the past few months, I realized I'd prefer being an entrepreneur/businessman over being a lawyer (although I still wouldn't mind becoming a lawyer).

It always amazes me how many Canadian come to America to do their law school when it is not even the same system of laws. Aren't parts of it based on French law like our state of LA?

Only in Quebec. The rest of it comes from the British common law system, like our legal system does.

I don't think Imet any Quebec students, so maybe they all either stay home or go to a LA state law school........

You'd still think at least SOME major differences would apply though.
(being commonwealth and all)

I know the bahamas require a prelaw undergrad. (and so do some other commonwealth nations)Does Canada do it too?
If so, I could see THAT being a tiebreaker for someone with a non prelaw undergrad.

On that though, I wonder how ABA schools view those 3year "BA" degrees that some Canadians schools are giving out nowdays.

The LLB isn't so much a prelaw degree as it is an actual law degree. The only thing is that after the LLB you have to do a two year legal education thing so the whole process ends up taking 5-6 years. For some people that time is a factor.

I think that ABA would be used to three year degrees because anyone who follows the British education system would have a three year degree.

I get the LLB vs JD part, I just know that when I was looking into the Bahamas LawSchool (I was bored and just goofing off that day) they said that only people with a previous undergrad in prelaw could apply (since it is a "second bachelors") They made it sound like all commonwealth nations were that way.

I think Canada is starting to switch to the JD though. I heard some Canadian students mention something about that once in passing I think.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/job- ... e-1.951780
Want a job? Major in liberal arts: Technology firms need more than science and math skills

Kind of an old article. But anyone ever try to work for a tech firm?

yeah, as others have said my backup is probably just a lower ranked school. I should be a lock for UVA/michigan so either one of those.