Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

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Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby jwinaz » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:39 pm

As someone working in the non-law world and contemplating the possibility a legal career, I am discouraged by the culture I've seen of putting down certain segments of the professional law population, its institutions, job types, and the like. I just wonder how common this is in the legal profession and also whether people feel it has detrimental effects on students and/or working lawyers?

I have to say that I've mostly seen this sort of language and behavior online, so am not familiar with how lawyers and law students talk about their peers and profession in person. If I am over-generalizing, then I do apologize and am open to correction in this area. Yet, it has been something I've seen quite pervasively here and sometimes at other sites discussing the legal field.

I work as a billing specialist, so perhaps my field is not innately as competitive as something like law. But in talking to people in other fields, I'm not sure if I've come across this kind of self-loathing and derogatory terminology used to describe members of one's own profession (I'm thinking of terms like "TTT" ..."sh*t law"..."big law strikeouts/lottery losers").

Why does this exist in law and where does it come from?
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Re: Reason for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby Ruxin1 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:40 pm

jwinaz wrote:As someone working in the non-law world and contemplating the possibility a legal career, I am discouraged by the culture I've seen of putting down certain segments of the professional law population, its institutions, job types, and the like. I just wonder how common this is in the legal profession and also whether people feel it has detrimental effects on students and/or working lawyers?

I have to say that I've mostly seen this sort of language and behavior online, so am not familiar with how lawyers and law students talk about their peers and profession in person. If I am over-generalizing, then I do apologize. Yet, it has been something I've seen quite pervasively here and sometimes at other sites discussing the legal field.

I work as a billing specialist, so perhaps my field is not innately as competitive as something like law. But in talking to people in other fields, I'm not sure if I've come across this kind of self-loathing and derogatory terminology used to describe members of one's own profession (I'm thinking of terms like "TTT" ..."sh*t law"..."big law strikeouts/lottery losers").

Why does this exist in law and where does it come from?


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Re: Reason for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby Bronx Bum » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:46 pm

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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby westie25 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:44 pm

Because the best (and really only) way to describe a legal job where you have no benefits, minimal time off, 70+ hour work weeks, and a salary of $35,000 is "sh*t law." Sometimes TTT comes from people being snobby, but you'll find the same snobby attitudes toward undergrad universities as well. Sometimes TTT or TTTT truly means the law school is terrible. Also, being an attorney is working in a "professional" field. Working as a billing specialist isn't even in the same category, so you're not going to see (or hear) the competiveness that goes on in "professional" fields. I'm sure similar talk goes on between doctors.

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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby prezidentv8 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:50 pm

westie25 wrote:I'm sure similar talk goes on between doctors.


Snooty MDs wrote:DO? LOL u wut a TTT degree!

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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby jkpolk » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:53 pm

jwinaz wrote:As someone working in the non-law world and contemplating the possibility a legal career, I am discouraged by the culture I've seen of putting down certain segments of the professional law population, its institutions, job types, and the like. I just wonder how common this is in the legal profession and also whether people feel it has detrimental effects on students and/or working lawyers?

I have to say that I've mostly seen this sort of language and behavior online, so am not familiar with how lawyers and law students talk about their peers and profession in person. If I am over-generalizing, then I do apologize and am open to correction in this area. Yet, it has been something I've seen quite pervasively here and sometimes at other sites discussing the legal field.

I work as a billing specialist, so perhaps my field is not innately as competitive as something like law. But in talking to people in other fields, I'm not sure if I've come across this kind of self-loathing and derogatory terminology used to describe members of one's own profession (I'm thinking of terms like "TTT" ..."sh*t law"..."big law strikeouts/lottery losers").

Why does this exist in law and where does it come from?


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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby nickb285 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:54 pm

westie25 wrote:Because the best (and really only) way to describe a legal job where you have no benefits, minimal time off, 70+ hour work weeks, and a salary of $35,000 is "sh*t law."


A clarification is necessary on this--on TLS some posters tend to lump anything that's not biglaw/preftigious government or clerkship job as "shitlaw." This is mostly because a handful of people have taken the accurate message that "biglaw is the only way to service the kind of debt you'll get paying sticker at law school while living in NYC/DC/Boston" to the extreme of "biglaw is the only law worth doing." So the term "shitlaw" can be and is misused on this site. What westie describes, however, is true shitlaw.

This thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=183482 is probably the best on the topic of "shitlaw" versus "not biglaw" and the options for those of us uninterested in biglaw. Worth reading through the whole thing despite it getting sidetracked in a couple places.

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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby SuperCerealBrah » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:11 pm

Most of it has to do with how astonishingly broken this profession really is at the moment. It is a form of self loathing that is also projected onto others due to an industry and profession that is royally screwing a LOT of its own progeny. This profession is eating its own young.

Edit: And yea, it does definitely get out of hand, I agree. The above posters link is a good thread to read as well.

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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby typ3 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:21 pm

SuperCerealBrah wrote:Most of it has to do with how astonishingly broken this profession really is at the moment. It is a form of self loathing that is also projected onto others due to an industry and profession that is royally screwing a LOT of its own progeny. This profession is eating its own young.

Edit: And yea, it does definitely get out of hand, I agree. The above posters link is a good thread to read as well.



The profession has always been like this. It is nothing new.

Read articles / commentary / books from the early 1900's and you'll find that it is exactly the same. Well paid defense mill work and the rest of the profession starving / hustling / etc. The only thing different now is that law students have higher debt loads.

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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby bk1 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:25 pm

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Re: Reasons for Derogatory Names in Legal Profession?

Postby somewhatwayward » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:55 pm

bk1 wrote:This is the internet, did you expect puppies and rainbows?


beat me to "hello, my name is the internet; have we met?"




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