B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby smaug_ » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:05 pm

If you want technical writing, it is always there. It'll be boring but it'll probably be the nicest job you can walk into with a philosophy degree. Look for medical companies and software companies and see if they have positions available.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby Swimp » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:26 pm

hibiki wrote:If you want technical writing, it is always there. It'll be boring but it'll probably be the nicest job you can walk into with a philosophy degree. Look for medical companies and software companies and see if they have positions available.


In my experience, you generally need some kind of expertise in whatever subject you're supposed to be writing about.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby WanderingPondering » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:49 pm

My friends who were English majors are now:

-Editor in a NYC publishing company x 2
-Sports journalist for a regional newspaper
-Speech writer for a politician in DC
-Civilian working for the FBI
-High school teacher/coach
-Analyst at Goldman Sachs
-Ski bum in Vail

Basically, it doesn't matter what you majored in during college. Do whatever you want to do.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby Chickensoup » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:07 pm

WanderingPondering wrote:My friends who were English majors are now:

-Editor in a NYC publishing company x 2
-Sports journalist for a regional newspaper
-Speech writer for a politician in DC
-Civilian working for the FBI
-High school teacher/coach
-Analyst at Goldman Sachs
-Ski bum in Vail

Basically, it doesn't matter what you majored in during college. Do whatever you want to do.



This is only possible if you attended an elite school. Good luck seeing outcomes like this for graduates of SUNY Buffalo.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby stillwater » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:11 pm

You could either become a philosopher or a dude who speaks and probably writes English.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby dissonance1848 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:23 pm

Do a Post-Bac, then go to med school. Seriously.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby TheThriller » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:48 pm

Honestly, you can Post-Bac your way into anything

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby Crowing » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:21 pm

I'm an English major. I work in the liquor industry, lol.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby minnbills » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:25 pm

IAFG wrote:Granted, I graduated in 2006, but I went to career services and signed up for on-campus recruiting (all preselect) and got an offer for every interview I did. With my shitty lib arts degree, mediocre GPA and Big State U alma mater. The weird thing was, none of my peers were even interviewing. I guess they didn't know it was a thing.


Yeah, I mean I don't even know if my CLA had those kinds of offerings. I was set on going to law school so I never bothered to find out.

Pre-2008 I would have been able to find work, I'm pretty sure.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby EliotRosewater » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:06 pm

scifiguy wrote:
EliotRosewater wrote:I'm a recent graduate with a gpa a little bit above a 3.5 and a philosophy degree. I'm doing AmeriCorps for a year or two before I apply to graduate school. I was set on law school while I was in undergrad but at this point I'm leaning more toward a Master's in Public Policy degree for a number of reasons. There are a ton of AmeriCorps jobs and if you're okay with living off of very little money it's a great segue into the non-profit sector. If you have internship and extra-curricular experience that will help out a whole lot in the AmeriCorps application process.

It's something to consider and it's something that can help you get a few years of work experience on your resume before going into some graduate program (law school or other).



Oh, cool.

Never considered public policy. Very interesting. Yeah, philosophy grads are kind of looked at funny I thinnk.

Our studies are more rigorous than most of the humanities and social science type degrees (I honestly think it's the toughest of the bunch and requires the most analytical thinking), but employers seem to think it's the most useless. I think I remember reading some article about the 10 most "useless degrees" and I think women's studies and like philosophy were on that list.

I'm not sure about AmeriCorps. I'll look into it though. when you say it's little money, do you mind sharing how much you're talking about?

I wonder if people can work as a paralegal or in government work with my background?



Hey there, sorry I took a few days to respond. I don't browse these boards that often now that I'm no longer doing the whole law school thing.

AmeriCorps salary is pegged to whatever 105% the state established poverty level for your region is. I am in WV, so this is about $900/month. I have a friend doing it in NYC and it is about $1600 (pre-tax of course). Sometimes you can get into public housing. This can be a really bad idea in NYC, but for someone like me in a rural area of WV, it worked out really well because I'm in an area dominated by coal-miners (who make decent money) and so the only people I live with in my public housing building are retirees. You are also eligible for food stamps which is another $200 per month and will take care of food costs for a lot of people depending on how thrifty you are. Any federal loans are also deferred while you are serving in AmeriCorps. At the end of your service year you get $5550 to put toward grad school or pay back loans. There are also a lot of schools that will match this award and some give you a lot more. For example, if you go to Carnegie Mellon for public policy (they have a terrific program for this) you get an automatic $12k/year scholarship.

You certainly get tangible benefits from doing AmeriCorps, but you really have to be the person who is okay with basically living in poverty for a year. It's a great career stepping stone, especially if you want to work in the non-profit industry where entry-level jobs are uncommon, but again, you have to be okay with being kind of poor for a year.

Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions about it. Check out their website too, there is a lot of good info on there.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby smashingrobface » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:16 am

Government work is a solid way to go if you can get it. You probably won't cop anything glamorous right out of school, but many decent Federal jobs allow a substitution of education for experience (frequently without specific major or classwork requirements). Fed work isn't always stimulating, but it has its perks. The pay is usually decent, if unspectacular. You can advance pretty quickly in certain agencies if you're willing to move around, making a number of contacts for future use along the way. And depending on the agency, they might stick you with a badge that impresses people despite granting you no meaningful authority.

I'm one of like six gainfully employed Creative Writing majors in America, so if I can do it, so can you. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, hit up USAJobs relentlessly.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby scifiguy » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:28 am

smashingrobface wrote:Government work is a solid way to go if you can get it. You probably won't cop anything glamorous right out of school, but many decent Federal jobs allow a substitution of education for experience (frequently without specific major or classwork requirements). Fed work isn't always stimulating, but it has its perks. The pay is usually decent, if unspectacular. You can advance pretty quickly in certain agencies if you're willing to move around, making a number of contacts for future use along the way. And depending on the agency, they might stick you with a badge that impresses people despite granting you no meaningful authority.

I'm one of like six gainfully employed Creative Writing majors in America, so if I can do it, so can you. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, hit up USAJobs relentlessly.



Any specifics on what federal jobs there are? What do you do (if you don't mind sharing)? lol.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby scifiguy » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:37 am

Thanks for the info on Americorp! I'll keep that in mind as an ultra back-up plan. I'm not sure if it's for me, but I still want to keep something like that on my list!

I'm honestly looking for something that does pay a bit more. But I know the program can still be a good option for others.

And out of curiosity guys..what do you guys mean by consulting? Man, I tried looking online, but that honestly seems like the most vague job I've heard of. There seem to be an endless list of definitions. haha. What would consulting be for a humanities major?

That's the main thing is that I know I don't have the technical skills of someone like an engineer or accountant or the general business background of a person with a bachelor's of business. I'm curious how a person with a philosophy and English background can work as a consultant?

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:45 am

scifiguy wrote:And out of curiosity guys..what do you guys mean by consulting? Man, I tried looking online, but that honestly seems like the most vague job I've heard of. There seem to be an endless list of definitions. haha. What would consulting be for a humanities major?

Generally, management consulting. Here's a list of firms.

I don't have much experience but my guess is that a 3.5 (from a likely non-prestigious UG) doesn't have a great shot, but others would have a better idea than I.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby Swimp » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:55 am

bk1 wrote:
scifiguy wrote:And out of curiosity guys..what do you guys mean by consulting? Man, I tried looking online, but that honestly seems like the most vague job I've heard of. There seem to be an endless list of definitions. haha. What would consulting be for a humanities major?

Generally, management consulting. Here's a list of firms.

I don't have much experience but my guess is that a 3.5 (from a likely non-prestigious UG) doesn't have a great shot, but others would have a better idea than I.


Management consulting, yes. And, yes, consulting can be kind of vague, and it involves a mountain of business jargon and bullshit powerpoint presentations, and traveling to cities you otherwise would not ever want to go.

But if you can get a job at a good firm, it's worth it for two reasons: 1) it's a good stepping stone to lots of other things in the business world. And 2) it's a great way to expose yourself to a variety of businesses. You don't know what you might find interesting until you learn about lots of stuff, and consulting is a relatively efficient way for a young person to do that.

As for a 3.5 from a non-prestigious UG--yeah, not going get you into MBB. I'm really only familiar with the NYC market, though, so there might be more opportunity elsewhere in the country.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby T14hoping » Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:36 pm

Legal assistant? I dunno. I'm not even really sure how accessible these jobs are, to be honest.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby stillwater » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:02 pm

Everyone I know in these majors has done pretty well: I-banking, journalism, etc. No one is going to hand you a job. So you'll probably need to hustle. Where you went to UG is probably more important than what you majored in tho.

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby Legacy Rabbit » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:26 pm

Me!

Philosophy - Major 1
Political Science - Major 2
History - Minor

I am now working for (one of) the most respected Fortune 500 Companies drafting contract. The philosophy degree has been an asset with this work; it is the degree of analytical reasoning, and I most def do this here. I obtained this job through career services at my UG.

:D I am really happy with this job, and feel blessed that I have it. I will clear a little over $50k this year.

I still plan on going to law school for 2013, even though all the JDs HEAVILY advise against it. :P

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Re: B.A. Philosophy/English, Options besides law school?

Postby pertristis » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:37 pm

scifiguy wrote:
Have some of you worked before law school with a humanities background? If so, what fields do you work in? What options do people know of for people like "us." Thanks for people's thoughts.


Philosophy/Psychology major. I worked in the casino industry for six-and-a-half years. Reasonably good pay, tons of interesting stories.




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