I'll think twice next time before I post something stupid on the internet.admisionquestion wrote:
I've calmed down and admit i was being a spazz about everything besides the darwinism comment...that comment is still really stupid.
LOL never mind
I'll think twice next time before I post something stupid on the internet.admisionquestion wrote:
I've calmed down and admit i was being a spazz about everything besides the darwinism comment...that comment is still really stupid.
You're assuming people won't take risks that could result in expensive health care bills. I know of many people who do from spending lots of time in bankruptcy and state civil courts. I don't know what evidence could satisfy you except more real world experience and less ivory tower contemplation of rational actors.admisionquestion wrote:
I just get super annoyed when people make egregious leaps in reasoning about incentives (something american conservatives have become very good at doing effectively)
I fail to see ANY evidence that providing free medical care (ER care especially) leads to people being more risk prone. The argument is still being made implicitly that the willingness of people to "Game" a purely financial decision is somehow analogous to people being more "risky" in a decision that is not purely financial. This sort of wiping away of real world facts (people dont like breaking legs) leads to misconstrued arguments against perfectly good insurance/risk distribution systems...
[its also the same type of reasoning that when pushed leads to crazy conclusions about the laffer curve...]
Im not assuming anything. Im explaining that the analogy was bad.IAFG wrote:You're assuming people won't take risks that could result in expensive health care bills. I know of many people who do from spending lots of time in bankruptcy and state civil courts. I don't know what evidence could satisfy you except more real world experience and less ivory tower contemplation of rational actors.admisionquestion wrote:
I just get super annoyed when people make egregious leaps in reasoning about incentives (something american conservatives have become very good at doing effectively)
I fail to see ANY evidence that providing free medical care (ER care especially) leads to people being more risk prone. The argument is still being made implicitly that the willingness of people to "Game" a purely financial decision is somehow analogous to people being more "risky" in a decision that is not purely financial. This sort of wiping away of real world facts (people dont like breaking legs) leads to misconstrued arguments against perfectly good insurance/risk distribution systems...
[its also the same type of reasoning that when pushed leads to crazy conclusions about the laffer curve...]
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I DO think that people make idiotic decisions... I DO NOT think that a significant number of these idiots conduct the following analysis:IAFG wrote:Facepalm. I am not saying that they "overlap." I am saying they they are both situations where people abuse the safety net because they know the safety net will mitigate the harm to them. It's annoying both because their shitty decision is still shitty (personal and/or financial harm is likely) and it also strains the system. Which is what makes it an analogy.
If you don't believe people think this way because head injuries from motorcycle accidents are physically painful, you just don't know enough idiots.
what if ERs refused treatment to uninsured/broke patientsadmisionquestion wrote:I DO think that people make idiotic decisions... I DO NOT think that a significant number of these idiots conduct the following analysis:IAFG wrote:Facepalm. I am not saying that they "overlap." I am saying they they are both situations where people abuse the safety net because they know the safety net will mitigate the harm to them. It's annoying both because their shitty decision is still shitty (personal and/or financial harm is likely) and it also strains the system. Which is what makes it an analogy.
If you don't believe people think this way because head injuries from motorcycle accidents are physically painful, you just don't know enough idiots.
If I crash I will wreck my head. Oh well lets do this... Oh but wait, the medical bill... Imma sit this one out.
OMG I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT ER VISITS ARE FREE. LETS DO THIS.
I also dont think that someone "telling you" that this is their reasoning is proof that it IS their reasoning.
Idiots like to sound dumb... they know this sounds dumb. SO they say it, ya know like to be funny or something...
Counterpoint: people SMOKE despite NOT receiving free healthcare...
Three things:fatduck wrote:what if ERs refused treatment to uninsured/broke patientsadmisionquestion wrote:I DO think that people make idiotic decisions... I DO NOT think that a significant number of these idiots conduct the following analysis:IAFG wrote:Facepalm. I am not saying that they "overlap." I am saying they they are both situations where people abuse the safety net because they know the safety net will mitigate the harm to them. It's annoying both because their shitty decision is still shitty (personal and/or financial harm is likely) and it also strains the system. Which is what makes it an analogy.
If you don't believe people think this way because head injuries from motorcycle accidents are physically painful, you just don't know enough idiots.
If I crash I will wreck my head. Oh well lets do this... Oh but wait, the medical bill... Imma sit this one out.
OMG I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT ER VISITS ARE FREE. LETS DO THIS.
I also dont think that someone "telling you" that this is their reasoning is proof that it IS their reasoning.
Idiots like to sound dumb... they know this sounds dumb. SO they say it, ya know like to be funny or something...
Counterpoint: people SMOKE despite NOT receiving free healthcare...
do you think that would have any effect on the helmet use rate
Mr. Somebody wrote:I am matriculating this year. If I strike out at OCI I'm planning to use the IBR program for the rest of my life. From the research I've done it's virtually impossible that the government will remove IBR retroactivelykapachino wrote:IBR is subject to change, which a lot of people tend to forget. The thing about taking on so much debt and counting on IBR is that your financial life will be shit until IBR takes effect, if it indeed stays as it is when you sign up for it. It's not a good way to start out. Are you interested in doing PI? If so, there are two programs that could help you: LRAP (if your school has it) and PSFL. I'd look into those and then decide if taking on a mountain of debt is worth it.
Bolded is part of the reason why nothing will ever convince you that it really does happen this way so you're just going to have to get older and wiser and figure it out on your own.admisionquestion wrote:I DO think that people make idiotic decisions... I DO NOT think that a significant number of these idiots conduct the following analysis:IAFG wrote:Facepalm. I am not saying that they "overlap." I am saying they they are both situations where people abuse the safety net because they know the safety net will mitigate the harm to them. It's annoying both because their shitty decision is still shitty (personal and/or financial harm is likely) and it also strains the system. Which is what makes it an analogy.
If you don't believe people think this way because head injuries from motorcycle accidents are physically painful, you just don't know enough idiots.
If I crash I will wreck my head. Oh well lets do this... Oh but wait, the medical bill... Imma sit this one out.
OMG I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT ER VISITS ARE FREE. LETS DO THIS.
I also dont think that someone "telling you" that this is their reasoning is proof that it IS their reasoning.
Idiots like to sound dumb... they know this sounds dumb. SO they say it, ya know like to be funny or something...
Counterpoint: people SMOKE despite NOT receiving free healthcare...
What a condescending thing to say. On multiple levels. Ill skip the merely pandering ones...IAFG wrote:Bolded is part of the reason why nothing will ever convince you that it really does happen this way so you're just going to have to get older and wiser and figure it out on your own.admisionquestion wrote:I DO think that people make idiotic decisions... I DO NOT think that a significant number of these idiots conduct the following analysis:IAFG wrote:Facepalm. I am not saying that they "overlap." I am saying they they are both situations where people abuse the safety net because they know the safety net will mitigate the harm to them. It's annoying both because their shitty decision is still shitty (personal and/or financial harm is likely) and it also strains the system. Which is what makes it an analogy.
If you don't believe people think this way because head injuries from motorcycle accidents are physically painful, you just don't know enough idiots.
If I crash I will wreck my head. Oh well lets do this... Oh but wait, the medical bill... Imma sit this one out.
OMG I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT ER VISITS ARE FREE. LETS DO THIS.
I also dont think that someone "telling you" that this is their reasoning is proof that it IS their reasoning.
Idiots like to sound dumb... they know this sounds dumb. SO they say it, ya know like to be funny or something...
Counterpoint: people SMOKE despite NOT receiving free healthcare...
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IAFG sounds condescending because IAFG is condescending.admisionquestion wrote:What a condescending thing to say. On multiple levels. Ill skip the merely pandering ones...IAFG wrote:Bolded is part of the reason why nothing will ever convince you that it really does happen this way so you're just going to have to get older and wiser and figure it out on your own.admisionquestion wrote:I DO think that people make idiotic decisions... I DO NOT think that a significant number of these idiots conduct the following analysis:IAFG wrote:Facepalm. I am not saying that they "overlap." I am saying they they are both situations where people abuse the safety net because they know the safety net will mitigate the harm to them. It's annoying both because their shitty decision is still shitty (personal and/or financial harm is likely) and it also strains the system. Which is what makes it an analogy.
If you don't believe people think this way because head injuries from motorcycle accidents are physically painful, you just don't know enough idiots.
If I crash I will wreck my head. Oh well lets do this... Oh but wait, the medical bill... Imma sit this one out.
OMG I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT ER VISITS ARE FREE. LETS DO THIS.
I also dont think that someone "telling you" that this is their reasoning is proof that it IS their reasoning.
Idiots like to sound dumb... they know this sounds dumb. SO they say it, ya know like to be funny or something...
Counterpoint: people SMOKE despite NOT receiving free healthcare...
I NEVER said that nothing would convince me. I could be convinced easily actually, at least convinced to the point that I would be comfortable allowing my conclusion to effect my opinions on policy.
Showing me that there is statistically significant differences between reasonably similar societies in which one provides free ER visits and one doesn't would be strong evidence...
Plenty of less strong evidence would weigh strongly. But, hearing someone say, "IM DOING THIS STUPID THING BECAUSE OF X STUPID REASON" is not persuasive. Given the tendency of people to not accurately explain the reasoning that actually informs their decisions (either accidentally or deceptively).
But even seeing some strong evidence about that--would not suddenly make the analogy FROM IBR relevent...
You can live under the bridge near my place.KevinP wrote:If I strike out and the govt. scraps IBR, I'ma just go live under a bridge with my preftigious ivy league law degree.
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bjsesq wrote:Well, this is a pretty fucking stupid fight. All over a one-liner.
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