Which States tend to be Insular?

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby Artistry » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:43 pm

TTTLS wrote:New Mexico is virtually impossible unless you were born there.

I'm finishing up my undergrad in New Mexico, so I do have some ties there. Would that be enough?

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby imbored25 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:27 pm

basically everywhere except really big cities (nyc/la/dc, etc)

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby 3|ink » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:37 pm

El_Gallo wrote:A general rule of thumb is the smaller the market, the more insular it is. Simply "becoming a resident" is not usually considered a strong tie.

Except CA is the biggest state and is the most insular.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby romothesavior » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:41 pm

3|ink wrote:
El_Gallo wrote:A general rule of thumb is the smaller the market, the more insular it is. Simply "becoming a resident" is not usually considered a strong tie.

Except CA is the biggest state and is the most insular.

Not sure if srs.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby beachbum » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 pm

For Alaska, come to Duke. (Seriously). Alaska Law Review, bro.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby dsconn2 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:48 pm

DELAWARE! Extremely insular and very protective of the Delaware Corporation Law. Great place to practice corp. lit. or transactional law. Skadden, Paul Weiss, Fish & Rich., Greenberg, DLA Piper all have offices in wilmington with 160K starting. The good DE firms (PAC, MNAT, RLF) all start at 145K and do pretty high profile work. The DE Chancery Court is one of a kind and staffed with heavyweights (Leo Strine). You still have to live in DE but Greenville and Centerville are beautiful. Oh and 160K in DE = 250K in NY, and unlike NY, DE isn't a filthy shit hole where you never get to see the sun.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby BlueDiamond » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:02 pm

If you were really smart you'd skip going to law school and open one in the previously untapped Alaska market instead - so far away from real america that youd def be able to trick 250-300 people to attend every year

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby TTTLS » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:04 pm

Artistry wrote:
TTTLS wrote:New Mexico is virtually impossible unless you were born there.

I'm finishing up my undergrad in New Mexico, so I do have some ties there. Would that be enough?
I think that's fine. Definite plus.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:09 pm

crossarmant wrote:
kaiser wrote:NJ. They get "jealous girlfriend" syndrome. If you tell NJ that you are committed to NJ, and only want to be with NJ, NJ will be suspicious of you since it can see that pretty girl NY over your shoulder and think that its her you really want to be with.


Love it. The same extends for South Jersey/Philly.

I especially love it. Penn + Philly ties = super-sawlid leg up.


dsconn2 wrote:DELAWARE! Extremely insular and very protective of the Delaware Corporation Law. Great place to practice corp. lit. or transactional law. Skadden, Paul Weiss, Fish & Rich., Greenberg, DLA Piper all have offices in wilmington with 160K starting. The good DE firms (PAC, MNAT, RLF) all start at 145K and do pretty high profile work. The DE Chancery Court is one of a kind and staffed with heavyweights (Leo Strine). You still have to live in DE but Greenville and Centerville are beautiful. Oh and 160K in DE = 250K in NY, and unlike NY, DE isn't a filthy shit hole where you never get to see the sun.

And Delaware sucks, don't kid yourself. But their legal market is something fantastic. I'd totally commute in from Philly.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby lobolawyer » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:15 pm

Artistry wrote:
TTTLS wrote:New Mexico is virtually impossible unless you were born there.

I'm finishing up my undergrad in New Mexico, so I do have some ties there. Would that be enough?


Depends on where you go to Skool and your career goals.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby woeisme » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:21 pm

romothesavior wrote:
I think you are probably so unique that it wouldn't matter where you went geographically. I have no idea about the AK market though and it is its own beast entirely, so TLS might not really know the answer. I think if you went to a reputable law school and networked with people there you would be fine.


I disagree with romothesavior as far as the importance of ties for the average joe. But I think he's definitely right on this one. If you're FROM Alaska and want to go back there, I'd think that that in and of itself is an adequate tie. Any reputable law school will do.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby TTTLS » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:26 pm

lobolawyer wrote:
Artistry wrote:
TTTLS wrote:New Mexico is virtually impossible unless you were born there.

I'm finishing up my undergrad in New Mexico, so I do have some ties there. Would that be enough?


Depends on where you go to Skool and your career goals.

Pretty sure UNM is the only law school in New Mexico.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby Lawst » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:29 pm

kaiser wrote:NJ. They get "jealous girlfriend" syndrome. If you tell NJ that you are committed to NJ, and only want to be with NJ, NJ will be suspicious of you since it can see that pretty girl NY over your shoulder and think that its her you really want to be with.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby theavrock » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:33 pm

lobolawyer wrote:
Artistry wrote:
TTTLS wrote:New Mexico is virtually impossible unless you were born there.

I'm finishing up my undergrad in New Mexico, so I do have some ties there. Would that be enough?


Depends on where you go to Skool and your career goals.


Yes, I lived and worked there for two years. After work I moved back to the Midwest for law school and had interview requests for federal district court internships for my 1L summer.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby lobolawyer » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:07 am

TTTLS wrote:
lobolawyer wrote:
Artistry wrote:
TTTLS wrote:New Mexico is virtually impossible unless you were born there.

I'm finishing up my undergrad in New Mexico, so I do have some ties there. Would that be enough?


Depends on where you go to Skool and your career goals.

Pretty sure UNM is the only law school in New Mexico.


And I'm pretty sure undergrad isn't law Skool.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby lobolawyer » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:11 am

theavrock wrote:
lobolawyer wrote:
Artistry wrote:
TTTLS wrote:New Mexico is virtually impossible unless you were born there.

I'm finishing up my undergrad in New Mexico, so I do have some ties there. Would that be enough?


Depends on where you go to Skool and your career goals.


Yes, I lived and worked there for two years. After work I moved back to the Midwest for law school and had interview requests for federal district court internships for my 1L summer.


That might be enough for some firms depending on your grades. Though, many want homegrown lawyers that went to LS here. Different gov. bodies have a similar split. For clerk ships, it depends on the judge.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby crossarmant » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:14 am

dsconn2 wrote:DELAWARE! Extremely insular and very protective of the Delaware Corporation Law. Great place to practice corp. lit. or transactional law. Skadden, Paul Weiss, Fish & Rich., Greenberg, DLA Piper all have offices in wilmington with 160K starting. The good DE firms (PAC, MNAT, RLF) all start at 145K and do pretty high profile work. The DE Chancery Court is one of a kind and staffed with heavyweights (Leo Strine). You still have to live in DE but Greenville and Centerville are beautiful. Oh and 160K in DE = 250K in NY, and unlike NY, DE isn't a filthy shit hole where you never get to see the sun.


Why?
Why?
Why?
Dela-where?

Legitimately there are about 8 people in the world who think "I'm going to law school, I cannot wait to return to Delaware."

I think the more adequate response is "Wait... Delaware? Isn't that the dickhole of a state the charges tolls for us to get into New Jersey? Why would anyone ever want to stay there, do they just not have enough money to leave Delaware?"

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby TaipeiMort » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:20 am

Every state in the country, and every city within each state, except for NYC and Silicon Valley because they have a surplus of jobs. Those who say DC isn't insular wasn't listening to the hiring committee member of Williams & Connolly who, when asked how the firm differentiates all of the top-ten percent people at T-6 schools, Georgetown and UVA he said "We read down the sheet and read their description of their ties to DC."

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:22 am

TaipeiMort wrote:Every state in the country, and every city within each state, except for NYC and Silicon Valley because they have a surplus of jobs. Those who say DC isn't insular wasn't listening to the hiring committee member of Williams & Connolly who, when asked how the firm differentiates all of the top-ten percent people at T-6 schools, Georgetown and UVA he said "We read down the sheet and read their description of their ties to DC."

TITCR. People here don't seem to realize that while it isn't strictly impossible to get DC without ties, they very greatly help.

With regard to NYC, there's also the whole "who in their right mind WOULDN'T want to be in New York?" factor.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby 3|ink » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:11 am

romothesavior wrote:
3|ink wrote:
El_Gallo wrote:A general rule of thumb is the smaller the market, the more insular it is. Simply "becoming a resident" is not usually considered a strong tie.

Except CA is the biggest state and is the most insular.

Not sure if srs.

Pretty sure the CA bar is most protective of CA school grads.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby Blindmelon » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:19 am

Boston - basically everyone in my summer class went to undergrad in Boston, family is from Mass, or was at a Boston law school.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby BVest » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:37 am

3|ink wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
3|ink wrote:
El_Gallo wrote:A general rule of thumb is the smaller the market, the more insular it is. Simply "becoming a resident" is not usually considered a strong tie.

Except CA is the biggest state and is the most insular.

Not sure if srs.

Pretty sure the CA bar is most protective of CA school grads.


As 3|ink says and implies, more specifically, it's protective of those who take the CA bar exam straight out of law school, since they don't offer reciprocity. If you get licensed in another state, you've still got to take the CA exam, which is notoriously difficult (Kathleen Sullivan failed her first attempt in 1999 when she moved to CA to become dean at SLS). I don't know what CA job market looks like, but the exam is what I see as the main barrier of protection.

(Mrs. BVest, licensed in TX for some time now, just took the Feb/Mar exam in case we end up going to a CA school for me... she's through with all the C&F and administrative stuff, so now it's just a matter of results; though she has decided that she will take it this summer she comes up short this time, regardless of where we go to school.)

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby stillwater » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:50 am

Maine is extremely insular.

It isn't too hard to figure out which states are insular and which states are going to be more "cosmopolitan"

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby Artistry » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:57 pm

BlueDiamond wrote:If you were really smart you'd skip going to law school and open one in the previously untapped Alaska market instead - so far away from real america that youd def be able to trick 250-300 people to attend every year

The state legislature has begun talking about opening a law school along with a med school up here, but nothing has come of it yet.

Short of some church coming up here to open their own school, I don't see it happening.

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Re: Which States tend to be Insular?

Postby flcath » Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:10 pm

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Ties are irrelevant. You're all being duped. Echo chamber. Rabble rabble.


+1

We are being massively trolled at callbacks, then.




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