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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby splitbrain » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:04 pm

I've noticed it's not clear where entry level really is with a business degree, especially ITE (either from employers or employees) - the position I ended up in thanks to an employment agency required 3+ years of experience but wasn't hard to pick up...but if they weren't in a hiring frenzy, they would have glanced over my resume.

Funny thing is when I was 18 and decided on this major, I did it because it was broad and practical. Broad...is...an understatement...

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Really wish I picked a science, haha.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby Gail » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:57 am

Employers (especially small employers) are incredibly demanding and conceded.

Joe's Event Planning Inc., won't even think of paying you $14 an hour unless you graduated from Princeton, started your own company, transitioned to CEO of a Fortune 500, and saved a kitten.


Fuck why didn't I care about high school or science/maths? :|

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby ColtsFan88 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:37 am

Gail wrote:Employers (especially small employers) are incredibly demanding and conceded.

Joe's Event Planning Inc., won't even think of paying you $14 an hour unless you graduated from Princeton, started your own company, transitioned to CEO of a Fortune 500, and saved a kitten.


Fuck why didn't I care about high school or science/maths? :|


Come on...

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby reformed calvinist » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:50 am

dingbat wrote:
Don't Become a Scientist Either

Or a scientologist


I was just guessing at numbers and figures. Pulling the puzzles apart.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby reformed calvinist » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:52 am

splitbrain wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Don't Become a Scientist Either

Or a scientologist


Oh man, there is a museum against psychiatry in Hollywood that is run by them that is just A+ trolling - I brought a few neuro and psych major friends there one day...so worth it.


I don't know which is greater, that or the Creation Museum in KY with people riding dinosaurs. Both are premium trolling, of course. 180.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby ColtsFan88 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:57 am

reformed calvinist wrote:
splitbrain wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Don't Become a Scientist Either

Or a scientologist


Oh man, there is a museum against psychiatry in Hollywood that is run by them that is just A+ trolling - I brought a few neuro and psych major friends there one day...so worth it.


I don't know which is greater, that or the Creation Museum in KY with people riding dinosaurs. Both are premium trolling, of course. 180.


I have heard some hilarious stories of this Creation Museum. Must visit.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby keg411 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:26 am

Gail wrote:Employers (especially small employers) are incredibly demanding and conceded.

Joe's Event Planning Inc., won't even think of paying you $14 an hour unless you graduated from Princeton, started your own company, transitioned to CEO of a Fortune 500, and saved a kitten.


Fuck why didn't I care about high school or science/maths? :|


You really didn't know that it was really freaking hard to get into event planning when it's the dream job of every east coast princess? And that the hours are probably worse than BigLaw and yet they pay table scraps?

You're better off trying to get an Assistant Account Exec or Account Exec job if your degree/personality (i.e. extrovert PR major) would lead you to event planning. If you're more of an introvert, try looking for jobs in Media Buying or Media Planning.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby dingbat » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:41 am

splitbrain wrote:I've noticed it's not clear where entry level really is with a business degree, especially ITE (either from employers or employees) - the position I ended up in thanks to an employment agency required 3+ years of experience but wasn't hard to pick up...but if they weren't in a hiring frenzy, they would have glanced over my resume.


I remember when I was in b-school, talking to some alumn about a job that it wasn't any good. People only take the job to get some work experience and then leave
(the job required that you had 2-3 yrs work experience before starting)

To get a job with a business degree, you need to intern. Otherwise, you're gonna have a tough time finding things (Wharton, Harvard, etc. grads excluded, of course)
And that's during a regular market.

Currently, I know Ibanking MDs and VPs who can't get a job anywhere (including a guy who made director at age 30, but whose department was closed down 3 years later)
Part of the reason for the high pay, I guess - once you're out it's tough to claw your way back in

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby reformed calvinist » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:40 pm

dingbat wrote:
splitbrain wrote:I've noticed it's not clear where entry level really is with a business degree, especially ITE (either from employers or employees) - the position I ended up in thanks to an employment agency required 3+ years of experience but wasn't hard to pick up...but if they weren't in a hiring frenzy, they would have glanced over my resume.


I remember when I was in b-school, talking to some alumn about a job that it wasn't any good. People only take the job to get some work experience and then leave
(the job required that you had 2-3 yrs work experience before starting)

To get a job with a business degree, you need to intern. Otherwise, you're gonna have a tough time finding things (Wharton, Harvard, etc. grads excluded, of course)
And that's during a regular market.

Currently, I know Ibanking MDs and VPs who can't get a job anywhere (including a guy who made director at age 30, but whose department was closed down 3 years later)
Part of the reason for the high pay, I guess - once you're out it's tough to claw your way back in


None of my ibanking friends had the illusion of being able to or inclination to stay past a couple years to get that line on their resume. Nothing wrong with a stepping stone, I guess, but I'm glad I didn't go into finance

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby Gail » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:21 pm

keg411 wrote:
Gail wrote:Employers (especially small employers) are incredibly demanding and conceded.

Joe's Event Planning Inc., won't even think of paying you $14 an hour unless you graduated from Princeton, started your own company, transitioned to CEO of a Fortune 500, and saved a kitten.


Fuck why didn't I care about high school or science/maths? :|


You really didn't know that it was really freaking hard to get into event planning when it's the dream job of every east coast princess? And that the hours are probably worse than BigLaw and yet they pay table scraps?

You're better off trying to get an Assistant Account Exec or Account Exec job if your degree/personality (i.e. extrovert PR major) would lead you to event planning. If you're more of an introvert, try looking for jobs in Media Buying or Media Planning.


Fine. Joe's Account Recovery.


Forget event planning.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby lifestooquick » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:57 pm

First, this article is old. Second, it's a huge joke in the physics community. He's basically wrong about soooo many things. My husband (a PhD candidate in Physics) and his friends have gone through this article before and laughed at the entire thing.

Any field is hard. You have to put in the work. No degree is a golden ticket. That said, my husband's job prospects are definitely better than mine.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby lifestooquick » Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:00 pm

Geetar Man wrote:
laxbrah420 wrote:when you say scientist, you meant physicist.
Physicists are the laughing stock of the scientific community.



Im glad someone agrees with me on this ^. My roommate is a physics major (im older than him) and I tell him all of the time that his major really isn't as applicable to getting a job as he thinks it is; the fact of the matter is there are almost no fucking jobs for any field, bar accounting/engineering/finance etc...

Same thing with business majors, my UG pumped those babies out like hot cakes.

Physics majors are hired for accounting/engineering/finance jobs all.the.time FYI. The key is quantitative analysis and physics majors have far and above better quantitative skills than business majors.

Outside of academia, physicists are huge in the banking industry - their quantitative skills make them extremely hot commodities to Wall Street.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby JoeFish » Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:11 pm

Well if Joe's Event Planning is too hard to get into, come join me at JoeFish's Underwater Basket Weaving*.

*Degree in underwater basket weaving and 8 years experience** required; starting salary $7.31 per presidential administration

**Experience must be in aerospace engineering or prostitution

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby laxbrah420 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:45 pm

lifestooquick wrote:
Geetar Man wrote:
laxbrah420 wrote:when you say scientist, you meant physicist.
Physicists are the laughing stock of the scientific community.



Im glad someone agrees with me on this ^. My roommate is a physics major (im older than him) and I tell him all of the time that his major really isn't as applicable to getting a job as he thinks it is; the fact of the matter is there are almost no fucking jobs for any field, bar accounting/engineering/finance etc...

Same thing with business majors, my UG pumped those babies out like hot cakes.

Physics majors are hired for accounting/engineering/finance jobs all.the.time FYI. The key is quantitative analysis and physics majors have far and above better quantitative skills than business majors.

Outside of academia, physicists are huge in the banking industry - their quantitative skills make them extremely hot commodities to Wall Street.

Sure they have marketable skills outside the sciences. The point was "don't become a scientist". If you want to learn quantitative analysis, math, engineering, or economics is still better for IB than physics.

If I were hiring an analyst for my trading desk, my ranking of the sciences would still go chem > physics > bio just because I wouldn't trust anyone dumb enough to want to be a physics major.

And they don't shower.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby JoeFish » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:00 pm

TBF math majors don't shower either. But yeah, we got mad analytical skillz

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby sunynp » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:54 pm

Hedge funds are all over physics majors from top undergrads. How do people not know this?

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby drdolittle » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:01 pm

sunynp wrote:Hedge funds are all over physics majors from top undergrads. How do people not know this?

This. Anyone who can handle the math (i.e., typically not your chem or bio majors) with a solid UG record should have some great job options w/o having to blow years on a grad degree.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby keg411 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:06 pm

Gail wrote:
keg411 wrote:
Gail wrote:Employers (especially small employers) are incredibly demanding and conceded.

Joe's Event Planning Inc., won't even think of paying you $14 an hour unless you graduated from Princeton, started your own company, transitioned to CEO of a Fortune 500, and saved a kitten.


Fuck why didn't I care about high school or science/maths? :|


You really didn't know that it was really freaking hard to get into event planning when it's the dream job of every east coast princess? And that the hours are probably worse than BigLaw and yet they pay table scraps?

You're better off trying to get an Assistant Account Exec or Account Exec job if your degree/personality (i.e. extrovert PR major) would lead you to event planning. If you're more of an introvert, try looking for jobs in Media Buying or Media Planning.


Fine. Joe's Account Recovery.


Forget event planning.


My point is that there actually are jobs that hire entry levels with "useless" liberal arts degrees. They're usually sales/marketing-type jobs and I listed two possibilities for two different personality types for someone that might be interested in something like "event planning".

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby reformed calvinist » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:09 pm

sunynp wrote:Hedge funds are all over physics majors from top undergrads. How do people not know this?


Everyone I know who went to a top undergrad and had a good gpa (i.e. above 3.5) in a quantitative major got at least a first-round interview at financial services firms. I have a humanities major friend from Georgetown who works in ibanking. For top undergrad recruiting, major isn't as important as you would think.

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Re: Don't Become a Scientist Either

Postby pugilistjd » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:49 am

apollo2015 wrote: At the same time, we need to reorient society to place more value on careers outside of the college/grad school tracks.


In NC, nursing schools are so underfunded that there is a waitlist to get on the waitlist for the limited number of seats available. Meanwhile, the state universities receive several times more funding and pump out tons of liberal arts majors. Obviously, the best explanation is that the state government recognize the serious dearth of baristas in NC.




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