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UC irvine law rankings

Postby joetheplumber » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:22 am

When will they be ranked? In time for the class of 2015 to decide to attend?

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:26 am

joetheplumber wrote:When will they be ranked? In time for the class of 2015 to decide to attend?

I doubt it, but they should be in the 20s or 30s, so it really isn't as wide a margin as is necessary to make that call.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby Bildungsroman » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:29 am

JamMasterJ wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:When will they be ranked? In time for the class of 2015 to decide to attend?

I doubt it, but they should be in the 20s or 30s, so it really isn't as wide a margin as is necessary to make that call.

While USNWR rankings should never be used to make the call anyway, it's really premature to say they'll be 20s or 30s. It could be in the 40s with Hastings since it's a brand new school with no reputation.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:38 am

Bildungsroman wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:When will they be ranked? In time for the class of 2015 to decide to attend?

I doubt it, but they should be in the 20s or 30s, so it really isn't as wide a margin as is necessary to make that call.

While USNWR rankings should never be used to make the call anyway, it's really premature to say they'll be 20s or 30s. It could be in the 40s with Hastings since it's a brand new school with no reputation.

That's true. I'd expect the medians to be higher than Hastings's, but I could see issues with reputation ratings

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby nshapkar » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:18 am

Are they still offering all admitted applicants one third scholarships

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby nealric » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:57 pm

Any ranking they are given should be completely irrelevant to your choice to attend.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby mrtoren » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:10 am

Beyond T14 is regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby desertlaw » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:22 am

mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.



The Orange County market isn't the big, and they're already competing with USC/UCLA there as well as in Los Angeles. Maybe soCal employers will draw from UCI before Hastings/Davis/Pepperdine, but there's still UCLA, USC, Stanford, and Berkley.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby jck4487 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:54 pm

UCI will be ranked after it receives full accreditation in the summer of 2015. So, probably April of 2016, depending on what USNWR decides to do. Don't let the ranking convince you of anything about a school. At the last coffee with the dean, Chemerinsky told us our clerkship placement stats, especially out of state, were better than USC had ever seen. It's the most competitive post-law-school path.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby keg411 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:04 pm

jck4487 wrote:UCI will be ranked after it receives full accreditation in the summer of 2015. So, probably April of 2016, depending on what USNWR decides to do. Don't let the ranking convince you of anything about a school. At the last coffee with the dean, Chemerinsky told us our clerkship placement stats, especially out of state, were better than USC had ever seen. It's the most competitive post-law-school path.


Is this federal clerkships or state clerkships? Because there is a difference FWIW. Median students at crappy schools can get state court trial level clerkships.... (especially out-of-state in CA since a lot of their state courts don't hire term clerks).

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby Grizz » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:14 pm

mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is All law schools are regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby 174 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:12 pm

mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.


That is a little optimistic.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby ahduth » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:26 pm

nealric wrote:Any ranking they are given should be completely irrelevant to your choice to attend.


This. Rankings are for people who are too lazy to do research. Irvine is obviously a special case, but no one is going to slot it higher than UCLA, which gives you your geographic signal.

Personally I wouldn't dump myself into the Cali market for any amount of money. But, then again, I didn't get into Stanford. :)

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby duckmoney » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:58 pm

Grizz wrote:
mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is All law schools are regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.


This is true, although the rankings are usually fairly good proxies for total employment outcome regardless of market. Chicago and Northwestern are both "regional" in that they place most of their students in Chicago, but Chicago generally has (slightly) better biglaw and clerkship placement rates, especially for students at or below median.

Similarly, Minnesota and Ole Miss are both regional schools in that they are the best schools in their respective states, and place most of their students there, but I would feel much more comfortable about getting a jerb out of Minnesota (rank 20ish) than Ole Miss (TTT).

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby uci2013 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:42 pm

desertlaw wrote:
mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.



The Orange County market isn't the big, and they're already competing with USC/UCLA there as well as in Los Angeles. Maybe soCal employers will draw from UCI before Hastings/Davis/Pepperdine, but there's still UCLA, USC, Stanford, and Berkley.


OC employers also like to see a commitment to OC (I got questioned about my OC commitment quite a bit in interviews) - they've been burned by associates leaving for LA positions. So attending UCI over USC/UCLA has some advantages if you actually want to work in OC, and seems to have no negative affects on those of my classmates seeking LA positions. Now if you are from OC you can probably overcome any commitment concerns, but it is something to think about if you actually want to work in OC.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby coldshoulder » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:42 am

ahduth wrote:
nealric wrote:Any ranking they are given should be completely irrelevant to your choice to attend.


This. Rankings are for people who are too lazy to do research. Irvine is obviously a special case, but no one is going to slot it higher than UCLA, which gives you your geographic signal.

Personally I wouldn't dump myself into the Cali market for any amount of money. But, then again, I didn't get into Stanford. :)


How bad really is the Cali market? I don't want to end up in the midwest or on the east coast, so I'm pretty much applying to the mountain west and the west coast. Irvine seems like a decent option, are Cali schools still worth going to? (and by Cali schools, for me I mean Davis/Hastings and down).

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby coldshoulder » Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:52 pm

Writing my Why Irvine statement...tips?

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby horrorbusiness » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:05 pm

coldshoulder wrote:Writing my Why Irvine statement...tips?


just did mine. potential topics:

shaping the legacy of a new school, working with chemerinsky, amazing pedigree of the faculty, their focus on hands on and interdisciplinary teaching, something about your contribution to the diversity/quality of the student body, living in irvine (i did that last one since i did my undergrad at uci)..

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby Citizen Genet » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:03 pm

keg411 wrote:
jck4487 wrote:UCI will be ranked after it receives full accreditation in the summer of 2015. So, probably April of 2016, depending on what USNWR decides to do. Don't let the ranking convince you of anything about a school. At the last coffee with the dean, Chemerinsky told us our clerkship placement stats, especially out of state, were better than USC had ever seen. It's the most competitive post-law-school path.


Is this federal clerkships or state clerkships? Because there is a difference FWIW. Median students at crappy schools can get state court trial level clerkships.... (especially out-of-state in CA since a lot of their state courts don't hire term clerks).


UCI had 11 students in their inaugural class of roughly 65 get Art. III clerkships. Two of those had a for the year after they finish a District Court clerkship.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby jck4487 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:41 pm

Citizen Genet wrote:
keg411 wrote:
jck4487 wrote:UCI will be ranked after it receives full accreditation in the summer of 2015. So, probably April of 2016, depending on what USNWR decides to do. Don't let the ranking convince you of anything about a school. At the last coffee with the dean, Chemerinsky told us our clerkship placement stats, especially out of state, were better than USC had ever seen. It's the most competitive post-law-school path.


Is this federal clerkships or state clerkships? Because there is a difference FWIW. Median students at crappy schools can get state court trial level clerkships.... (especially out-of-state in CA since a lot of their state courts don't hire term clerks).


UCI had 11 students in their inaugural class of roughly 65 get Art. III clerkships. Two of those had a for the year after they finish a District Court clerkship.


I believe that number is up to 14 now.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby WSJ_Law » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:57 pm

lol at UCI's ttt magistrate judge clerkships. what a shithole

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby vanwinkle » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:02 pm

WSJ_Law wrote:lol at UCI's ttt magistrate judge clerkships. what a shithole

You spend more time banned than not at this point.

Adding to that right now.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby Veyron » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:47 pm

No matter what they're ranked, I would think that they would slot in T-14 > UCLA > USC > UC Irvine > Field in OC, thats all you really need to know.

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Re: UC irvine law rankings

Postby paulshortys10 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:06 am

reviving this.




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