Misrepresenting URM status

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Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Alex-Trof » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:09 am

This thread might start a shitstorm so mods feel free to lock it or move it if it is not in the right spot.

I was basically wondering what prevents someone who is white or any other non-URM race to claim that they're half-Hispanic or native American. Aside from guilty consciousness, why wouldn't someone born in the U.S. just claim to have a Mexican mom on their application? I mean, even if you end up going to the same school, you may get scholarship in thousands that you would not otherwise. And it is not like there is a way to check something like that.

For the record, I am not advocating this kind of thing and wouldn't do it myself. But, for people with no moral reservations or those who hate AA, wouldn't this be a smart thing to do?

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Bildungsroman » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:25 am

At orientation they line everyone up and compare their skin to color swatches from the Home Depot paint section.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby JamMasterJ » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:29 am

C&F

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Ginj » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:30 am

Bildungsroman wrote:At orientation they line everyone up and compare their skin to color swatches from the Home Depot paint section.


Oh, Bils. You deserve a hug sometimes.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Alex-Trof » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:37 am

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202510666387&slreturn=1

Oh snaps. So people actually do it. And lol at the idea that you can check that kind of stuff. Maybe with Native Americans - yes, but Hispanics and blacks - no way.

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Postby minnbills » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:39 am

I know someone who was pretty sketchy about this. Her dad was a spanish immigrant to the caribbean and she claimed urm status from it. Ended up passing cf but felt guilty.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby 20121109 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:41 am

Alex-Trof wrote:
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202510666387&slreturn=1

Oh snaps. So people actually do it. And lol at the idea that you can check that kind of stuff. Maybe with Native Americans - yes, but Hispanics and blacks - no way.


Yeah, tbf...If you're gonna risk it, might as well go with Hispanic. You get a moderate boost, and you can be all shades and still pass as Hispanic without any way to verify your ethnicity. Unless of course, you put on college apps and other official forms that you only identified as white. The key is consistency.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby random5483 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:47 am

The C&F consequences of getting caught are just not worth it.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Alex-Trof » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:50 am

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
Yeah, tbf...If you're gonna risk it, might as well go with Hispanic. You get a moderate boost, and you can be all shades and still pass as Hispanic without any way to verify your ethnicity. Unless of course, you put on college apps and other official forms that you only identified as white. The key is consistency.

Troof. Although, I doubt someone will actually go through your records or will be able to get them in a first place to see what you identified yourself as. And even then you can always make up a story about being ashamed, considering yourself white, not wanting to recognize your heritage, etc...
This is actually seems like a pretty big loophole.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Alex-Trof » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:50 am

random5483 wrote:The C&F consequences of getting caught are just not worth it.

Can you elaborate plz?

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Postby paratactical » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:52 am

I'm pretty sure C&F gets your college info and compares it to your law school info, but someone should be able to verify.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby romothesavior » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:53 am

Alex-Trof wrote:
random5483 wrote:The C&F consequences of getting caught are just not worth it.

Can you elaborate plz?

If you get caught, you won't pass C&F. If you don't pass C&F, you don't become a lawyer. Make sense?

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Alex-Trof » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:54 am

romothesavior wrote:
Alex-Trof wrote:
random5483 wrote:The C&F consequences of getting caught are just not worth it.

Can you elaborate plz?

If you get caught, you won't pass C&F. If you don't pass C&F, you don't become a lawyer. Make sense?

Oh OK.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby random5483 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:00 pm

Alex-Trof wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
Alex-Trof wrote:
random5483 wrote:The C&F consequences of getting caught are just not worth it.

Can you elaborate plz?

If you get caught, you won't pass C&F. If you don't pass C&F, you don't become a lawyer. Make sense?

Oh OK.



The C&F is an indepth background check that every single bar applicant has to go through. Do you want to risk getting caught? Perhaps they are not that good at verifying race now. But what if they change their investigative focus over the next few years?

Lying on your law school application is one of the worst things you can do for C&F purposes. Well, other than lying on the C&F application. Don't do it. The last thing any law student needs is 100k of debt (give or take) without the ability to practice law.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:02 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:C&F

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby Bartlebee06 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:54 pm

So wait, I can get into a better school and get a larger scholarship than someone who has the same numbers as me simply based on the color of my skin. That's awesome. I am so glad my family moved to America.

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Postby MrKappus » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:10 pm

Bartlebee06 wrote:So wait, I can get into a better school and get a larger scholarship than someone who has the same numbers as me simply based on the color of my skin. That's awesome. I am so glad my family moved to America.


Danger, Will Robinson!!

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby FeelTheHeat » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:19 pm

Bartlebee06 wrote:So wait, I can get into a better school and get a larger scholarship than someone who has the same numbers as me simply based on the color of my skin. That's awesome. I am so glad my family moved to America.


I think I'll need a few more opinions on this before coming to a satisfactory conclusion

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby rgndvo » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:53 pm

This crossed my brother's mind earlier in his cycle. As he's technically my half brother, he is not racially black, but is raised by the same parents as me, including a black mum. He is of North African descent, and looks as dark as I -- just 1/4 black -- do. In other words, it would be really difficult to "dispute" it.

Nonetheless, he concluded it wasn't worth running the risk. Much better to do things honestly and live to fight another day. Incidentally, a personal ethical opposition to a private institution's (i.e. most T-14's) rules (in this case, affirmative action) does not give one moral license to violate those rules. Fraud on applications is serious shit, so there is no doubt that those who are caught -- or cannot adequately explain discrepancies on Birth Certificates, college aps, and other documents the bar will check -- will (at least) fail C&F.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby TIKITEMBO » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:10 am

Maybe with Native Americans - yes, but Hispanics and blacks - no way.


Absolutely people could claim Hispanic or Black heritage and still appear "white". A good friend's father is black and my friend being 1/4 of that heritage is pretty light-skinned. Another friend had to shave his dreadlocks after starting to go bald and struggled with it for awhile that people couldn't as immediately tell he was bi-racial (black dad and white mom). Someone could easily try to pull it off.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:24 am

MrKappus wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:So wait, I can get into a better school and get a larger scholarship than someone who has the same numbers as me simply based on the color of my skin. That's awesome. I am so glad my family moved to America.


Danger, Will Robinson!!

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TBF, this is quite the opposite of the usual AA debate.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby MrKappus » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:56 am

MrPapagiorgio wrote:
MrKappus wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:So wait, I can get into a better school and get a larger scholarship than someone who has the same numbers as me simply based on the color of my skin. That's awesome. I am so glad my family moved to America.


Danger, Will Robinson!!

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TBF, this is quite the opposite of the usual AA debate.


TBF, you're an idiot.

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby 071816 » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:06 am

ITT scumbags run amuck

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Re: Misrepresenting URM status

Postby MrKappus » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:34 am

chimp wrote:amuck


QFilliteracy.




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